Talk:Orval Faubus

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Did not endorse Jackson

The site used as a source for that endorsement is ourcampaigns.com. I am a member of that site, I personally removed the listing of the endorsement there so it no longer exists. That site itself was citing another source but that source was a newspaper article that actually said Faubus insisted he DIDN'T endorse Jackson. He merely wrote a letter saying nice things about him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.35.254.154 (talk) 20:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Fables of Faubus"

"Fables of Faubus" is cited under "See also," but does it deserve some explanation within this article? Ishboyfay (talk) 21:56, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I added the link to the 'See also' section at the time, because I saw no easy way of fitting it in the article, but of course its inclusion would be welcome. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:26, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation?

How does one pronounce "Faubus"? TuckerResearch (talk) 20:57, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

/ˈfɔːbəs/ or FAW-bəss See this and that for audio examples. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:17, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What I thought. I'm glad you spelled it in IPA, etc. I put it in the article, if that's okay. I wish there was a book to footnote it to. Thanks again. TuckerResearch (talk) 21:29, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Deficiencies

This is a pretty bad article.

Most of the factual claims in the article are uncited. As a historical figure of considerable notoriety and newsworthiness, it should be easy to add appropriate citations. I really can't be bothered to go through adding 'citation needed' tags all over the place (several dozen are needed).

There's also an awful lot of bad english/bad grammar. I came here to read about the dude, not to repair his article; I've made a minor fix or two, but I'm off now - I really don't care enough about this reckless racist idiot. MrDemeanour (talk) 11:03, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have copied the following comment by SDSU-Prepper from my talk-page, where it does not belong. My reply follows. MrDemeanour (talk) 09:33, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dear MrDemeanour (aka Drmies),

Regarding this content: As a child, Faubus had a father who explained that "capitalism was a fraud and that both poor whites and blacks were its victims." This was likely the catalyst to his radical left-wing ideas.

You are opposed to the word "left-wing" and so you removed the entire content? Let's discuss:' Faubus was a Democrat: left wing. Segregation was radical back in Faubus' day.

He resisted integration: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Orval-Eugene-Faubus

Would it be more agreeable to remove the word "radical" or are you saying he was not a leftist? Please clarify. SDSU-Prepper (talk) 05:01, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@SDSU-Prepper: firstly, I am not 'also known as' Drmies. @Drmies is a different user. I do not know Drmies.

Secondly, with respect to 'left-wing', I have no idea what you are talking about. I removed the gibberish clause 'conflation was rampant' (I do not think that word means what you think it means), corrected a typo, and removed the phrase 'perpetuated the hostility', because the word perpetuate means 'make permanent', and it was unclear what 'the hostility' referred to. Neither of my deletions was of cited material, and uncited material can always be deleted. Neither of my deletions concerned his political posture in any way. I had never heard of the guy before reading the article. The only recent deletion of a 'whole section' was by Drmies, not by me. FWIW, he described the prose he deleted as 'sophomoric', and I agree. It was also completely free of citations, and therefore eligible for deletion. It might have been better, I suppose, to correct the poor prose and add citations; but that would have been a lot of work, which would have been the responsibility of the editor adding the text, not of Drmies.

Democrat: I think you need to study the history of the American South, which was solidly Democrat throughout the segregation era. 'Democrat' does not mean 'left-wing', in that context. Segregationists generally voted Democrat, and I do not consider segregationism and racism to be consistent with any kind of left-wing politics. MrDemeanour (talk) 09:33, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

To add to article

To add to this article: Faubus's ethnic background. Is Faubus a German (or Jewish) name? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 01:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

'Politically motivated'

'Critics have long charged that Faubus's fight in Little Rock against the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision by the U.S. Supreme Court that separate schools were inherently unequal was politically motivated. The ensuing battle helped to shield him from the political fallout from a tax increase. ... Ashmore said that Faubus used the Guard to keep blacks out of Central High School because he was frustrated by the success his political opponents were having in using segregationist rhetoric to arouse white voters.'

So the charge of the 'critics' is that he was just pretending to be racist for the sake of his political career - as opposed to his being motivated by sincere and principled racism, which would have been OK and not subject to criticism? What sort of critics would consider the latter better than the former? In any case, racism is a political position, too, so his 'heroic fight' would still be 'politically motivated' even if the critics' charges are true. 62.73.72.3 (talk) 10:27, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edited accordingly.--62.73.72.3 (talk) 10:38, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]