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Four days ago (2025 Mar 14), NBC News had an article titled "Trump's quest to conquer Canada is confusing everyone". Well, I am most certainly not confused, except by others' confusion.

Lots of people on the American left, broadly construed, have compared Trump to Hitler, but apparently didn't mean it. Or rather, have been so acculturated to an identity politics worldview that sees everything in terms only of identity-based oppression, they solely equate Hitler with the Holocaust, and forget the other thing he's famous for.

You know: starting World War II.

A word you are looking for is lebensraum:
Lebensraum (German pronunciation: [ˈleːbənsˌʁaʊm], living space) is a German concept of expansionism and Völkisch nationalism, the philosophy and policies of which were common to German politics from the 1890s to the 1940s. First popularized around 1901,[4] Lebensraum became a geopolitical goal of Imperial Germany in World War I (1914–1918), as the core element of the Septemberprogramm of territorial expansion.[5] The most extreme form of this ideology was supported by the Nazi Party and Nazi Germany, the ultimate goal of which was to establish a Greater German Reich. Lebensraum was a leading motivation of Nazi Germany to initiate World War II, and it would continue this policy until the end of the conflict.[6]
Now, I risk misleading you by gesturing towards lebensraum, because unfortunately I think there is a widespread misunderstanding of lebensraum: there's a tendency to take its proponents, both pre-Nazi and Nazi, a little too much at their words.

The problem is that the doctrine of lebensraum was an excuse for the act of invasion. It was a justification for what they wanted to do. And as justifications go, even if one thinks invading other countries is wrong, one might be tempted to think it is sufficiently plausible, and that the reasons they claimed were wholly adequate to explain what moved them.

The proponents of lebensraum argued it was necessary for reasons of resources, i.e. that they had to conquer other lands because they needed resources those countries had. From the Holocaust Encyclopedia:
Renowned German geographer Friedrich Ratzel coined the term in 1901. He and many others at the turn of the century believed that a nation had to be self-sufficient in terms of resources and territory (a concept known as autarky) to protect itself from external threats.

[...] Ratzel argued that the development of a people was influenced by their geographic situation, and that a society who effectively adapted to one geographic territory would logically expand the borders of their country into other territory. Pointing to the British and French Empires and to American “Manifest Destiny,” Ratzel contended that Germany required overseas colonies to relieve German over-population. The East presented another logical outlet for growth.
I'm not arguing that the Germans didn't believe they "needed" other people's territory and natural resources, and really, really want them. That is a thing. But maybe really, really wanting something isn't actually sufficient explanation for being willing to go to war for it.

Wars are expensive. Munitions don't grow on trees and armies travel on their stomachs. Wars take money and they kill people, including one's own soldiers, and even if one has no ethical qualms about wasting human lives, soldiers are a finite resource, so there's an soullessly economic reason not to.

At the very least, before heading off to conquer one's neighbors for their land and natural resources, one had better have worked out the cost-benefit analysis and found it substantially to one's advantage even when the other side shoots back.

But there's another weight on one side of that scale.

Wars have an effect on the societies that wage them. And tyrants often very much want that effect on their society.

They want the populace to "come together" – a euphemism which means "drop their grievances against the abuses of the government and get in line" – to "support the war effort". They want an excuse to militarize the society: to round up dissidents or foreigners as traitors to the all-important military cause, to put the populace under military law, to impose a draft, to distract the populace from other issues with the urgency of military exigencies, to normalize and promote a belligerent nationalism as the national culture, to justify "austerity" policies, to expropriate resources from the larger society to funnel into the ruling class under the guise of supporting the troops.
Winston could not definitely remember a time when his country had not been at war, but it was evident that there had been a fairly long interval of peace during his childhood, because one of his early memories was of an air raid which appeared to take everyone by surprise. Perhaps it was the time when the atomic bomb had fallen on Colchester. [...]

Since about that time, war had been literally continuous, though strictly speaking it had not always been the same war. [...] At this moment, for example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia.

[...] the consciousness of being at war, and therefore in danger, makes the handing-over of all power to a small caste seem the natural, unavoidable condition of survival.

1984, Orwell
Going to war is a way of suppressing dissent at home. Going to war is a way of getting legal and normative license to suspend rights. Going to war internationally is a way for the present rulers to consolidate power domestically.

I'm not saying that Trump and his administration don't actually want whatever they could acquire by conquering Canada – the NBC article quotes sources suggesting that Trump wants the Northwest Passage or natural resources – but that is of a secondary consideration to what a glorious thing it would be, as they see it, to put the US on a war footing and reorganize American life around servicing the needs of an adventuresome military.




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Re: Comment catcher: The Social Uses of War

Date: 2025-03-19 07:59 am (UTC)
moodsong: (Default)
From: [personal profile] moodsong
Yeah. This worries me.

Re: Comment catcher: The Social Uses of War

Date: 2025-03-19 08:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cesy

Typo: lebenstraum should be lebensraum in several places

Re: Comment catcher: The Social Uses of War

Date: 2025-03-19 12:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] armiphlage
Considering the orange one wants Canada's electricity and water, "straum" could fit too.

Re: Comment catcher: The Social Uses of War

Date: 2025-03-19 01:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] graydon

Kaiser Billy was not known for his wisdom.

Opportunity to crush internal dissent and total indifference to the human cost aside, war presents an opportunity to transfer public funds to private individuals on a large scale (e.g. the enormous, 1.5 Manhattan Project, cost of the B-29 creates the portion of the American aircraft industry that eventually dominates the airliner industry for the rest of the 20th century) and to be lauded as victorious.

It's a rare soulless husk who doesn't want to be lauded as victorious.

Re: Comment catcher: The Social Uses of War

Date: 2025-03-19 03:48 pm (UTC)
cvirtue: CV in front of museum (Default)
From: [personal profile] cvirtue
Trump himself is not a complex thinker (although he's being fed by people with actual working [evil] brains) but I think the calculus for *him* may be much simpler.

I think, since he likes Putin so much (and thinks Putin likes him, because the translators aren't translating the snark accurately, I'll go find that article by a Russian speaker) he wants to Be Like Putin... and Putin is trying to acquire land that got away from Russia. Canada being the closest "non-shithole country" to the USA. Greenland being the next closest.

"Wars are expensive" but they are really, really profitable for the people that own the weapons factories.
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From: [personal profile] cvirtue
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/podcasts/what-does-trump-see-putin

What Does Trump See in Putin? A Conversation With Fiona Hill
March 13, 2025

Intro:
Fiona Hill spent years studying Putin and Russia as a scholar and U.S. intelligence official before serving, in the first Trump administration, as senior director for European and Russian affairs on the National Security Council. She became a household name during Trump’s first impeachment, when her testimony provided crucial insights into Trump’s dynamic with Putin and his early interactions with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. Today, she is a senior fellow at the Center on the United States and Europe at the Brookings Institution and serves as chancellor of Durham University.

Quote from the transcript:

...I was listening very carefully to the Russian, because the interpreters don’t always capture everything. They don’t capture the nuances.
And particularly when it’s the Russian interpreter, who’s translating into a language that’s also not their native language, all kinds of things are missing.

And Trump said, “What a great conversation.” I thought, actually, not really. There was all kinds of menace in what Putin had said. He chooses words very carefully.

Many times when Putin and Trump are interacting, Putin’s actually making fun of him.

It’s just completely lost in the translation. I can give lots of episodes of this. Or he’s goading him and urging him onto something because he’s trying to see how he will react. And the translation smooths over all of that. That context is absolutely missing. And he doesn’t do a readout afterwards.

And we heard, for example, that Witkoff spent several hours one-on-one with Putin. Was anyone translating? Was Witkoff making notes in real time? Or was he trying to remember what was said afterwards?

All of this is amateur hour because it means that you’re not really fully cognizant of what it is that the Russians have said beyond what you’ve taken on board from their talking points.

Re: Comment catcher: The Social Uses of War

Date: 2025-03-19 04:49 pm (UTC)
arlie: (Default)
From: [personal profile] arlie
My Canadian relatives haven't missed the threat, or the analogy with Hitler's lebensraum. And the tendency of the US to get into lots of wars was taken for granted in my family, growing up, and attributed primarily to the desire to unite everyone behind its leaders, secondarily to its profitability for arms dealers. Back when I was growing up, though, the draft for the Vietnam War was provoking major internal resistance. Possibly the US got into/started/escalated a few fewer wars for the next 20 years or so. However that's now long forgotten.

Re: Comment catcher: The Social Uses of War

Date: 2025-03-19 05:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] spiralsheep
>> They want the populace to "come together" – a euphemism which means "drop their grievances against the abuses of the government and get in line" – to "support the war effort". They want an excuse to militarize the society: to round up dissidents or foreigners as traitors to the all-important military cause, to put the populace under military law, to impose a draft, to distract the populace from other issues with the urgency of military exigencies, to normalize and promote a belligerent nationalism as the national culture, to justify "austerity" policies, to expropriate resources from the larger society to funnel into the ruling class under the guise of supporting the troops. <<

Nice clear list. Good work.

Re: Comment catcher: The Social Uses of War

Date: 2025-03-21 03:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] adrian_turtle
Right. They want the Patriot Act, only more so. The America of 1999 wouldn't have accepted the Patriot Act. Not even the America of August, 2001. But it's the nature of Millennials that they came of age around the time of that change.

Re: Comment catcher: The Social Uses of War

Date: 2025-03-19 06:18 pm (UTC)
kelkyag: eye-shaped patterns on birch trunk (birch eyes)
From: [personal profile] kelkyag
Well, yes.

And if Trump invades Canada while the EU is busy supporting Ukraine, the EU will have a hard time supporting Canada as well. And NATO will be pretty much busted.

(Will Congress or anyone reasonably high in the military hierarchy object to Trump ordering an illegal invasion of Canada? I fear.)

Re: Comment catcher: The Social Uses of War

Date: 2025-03-20 05:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ravan
When Trump first started muttering about annexing Canada, the word lebensraum - living room - came to mind. It's the same type of expansionist crap that Hitler did to start WWII, and that Putin is doing in Ukraine. "They speak English (mostly), of course we should rule them" - just like Germany did with Austria and Russia is trying to do to Ukraine.

Fascists have a need to expand and start wars. It's part of how they consolidate control and get more money and resources for their oligarchs.

Re: Comment catcher: The Social Uses of War

Date: 2025-03-21 08:45 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ewt
This dynamic seems relevant also to the rhetoric of war that is not in fact military conflict: the war on drugs, the war on terrorism, etc.

Re: Comment catcher: The Social Uses of War

Date: 2025-03-21 08:46 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ewt
(though of course some of the war on terrorism did involve military action in Iraq and Afghanistan, among other places -- but I meant to refer to the domestic aspects.)

Re: Comment catcher: The Social Uses of War

Date: 2025-03-27 03:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fabrisse
I get the idea of lebensraum (though I don't agree with it in the sense it was used in Germany circa 1935). But I don't think that's what he's doing with Canada/Greenland/Cuba or any other place he's talking about. At least, not at the moment.

I trust the military, generally (though not always the generals. It's complicated.). What Mr. Loyalty-only-flows-one-way is trying to do is get rid of the current military infrastructure. It's not just that he's trying to make it only straight white males; he wants the military oath to be changed from the Constitution to the President. Reagan's people tried it in the 1980s and it got no purchase. But Trump is frightening them with the idea of unjust wars and openly violating both the Geneva Conventions and the charter of the United Nations. It's a good way to get experienced military personnel who take their oath seriously to file their retirement paperwork, decide not to re-enlist, or resign their commissions. Once they're gone, then he can start looking at the places he really wants.

Canada might be on the menu then. I doubt Greenland will be. But Scotland? the rest of the UK (aka that large unsinkable aircraft carrier as the U.S. called it in WWII), that might be on the horizon. With Brexit blotting their copybook, it might take the rest of Europe a minute to remember they need to support them. It's part of why Elon getting close with Nigel Farage worries so many people.

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