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The following are excerpts from the excellent essay "The Deep Archeology of Fox News" by Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo (2023 Mar 3), which is behind a paywall:
The evidence emerging from the Dominion lawsuit against Fox News has the quality of liberal fever dreams. What’s the worst you can possibly imagine about Fox? What’s the most cartoonish caricature, the worst it could possibly be? Well, in these emails and texts you basically have that. Only it’s real. It’s not anyone believing the worst and giving no benefit of the doubt. This is what Fox is.

In a moment like this it’s worth stepping way, way back, not just to the beginning of Fox News in 1996 but to the beginning of the broader countermovement it was a part of and even a relatively late entry to.

Back in the 1950s and 1960s there was something historians and critics of the time called the post-war liberal consensus. It was not liberal in ways we’d recognize today. Indeed, it wasn’t liberal in many ways actual liberals of the time recognized. But it did represent an important level of elite consensus about state intervention in the economy and openness to a more restrained version of the American state created by the reformist periods of the first half of the 20th century.

Though what was then sometimes called “the race question” was “complicated” and not something that could be resolved overnight, there was also in elite opinion a general assumption that the South’s system of legalized apartheid was a source of embarrassment and something from the past that the country had to outgrow, even if not any time soon. (Just as is the case today, what is actually more properly called cosmopolitanism was sometimes misportrayed as liberalism: a general belief in pluralism, values tied to cities and urban life.)

I mention all this because, in the early 1950s and 1960s, what we now recognize as the embryonic modern conservative movement could rightly sense that there were assumptions embedded in elite culture that viewed certain of their core values and aims as backward, retrograde, archaic. When the early founders of modern “movement” conservatism looked at America’s elite consensus, they saw a set of assumptions and beliefs embedded in many elite institutions that ran counter to their aims and values. And they were not totally wrong.

Over the course of the 1960s and 1970s they set about trying to build a series of counter-institutions, ones that wouldn’t, in their mind, have their sails angled permanently toward the winds of liberalism. One key moment in this story was the founding of The Heritage Foundation in 1973. Heritage was founded to be the counter to the “liberal” Brookings Institution. But Heritage was never anything like Brookings, even though in the D.C. of the ’80s and ’90s they were routinely portrayed as counterpoints — one representing liberalism and the other conservatism. Brookings was mainstream, stodgy, quasi-academic. Heritage was thoroughly ideological and partisan. In practice it was usually little more than a propaganda mill for the right. This pattern was duplicated countless times. The “liberal” Washington Post was matched by The Washington Times. Fox News, which didn’t come along for another generation, was not so much the answer to CNN as to CBS News, the iconic broadcast news organization of the first decades of the Cold War.

What we see today in Fox News is most of the story: a purported news organization that knowingly and repeatedly reports lies to its viewers, whose chief executive brazenly works with and assists one party’s candidates by sharing confidential information about the other. [...]

Here we get to the nub of the issue. Because this is not the entirety of the story. One of the things that is clear from the very start of the conservative movement was a basic failure to quite understand the thing they rallied themselves against [...] None of the organizations that the right took issue with — the think tanks, the news publications, the movie studios, the nonprofits, the book publishers — were ideological, let alone partisan, organizations. When the founders of modern conservatism looked at CBS News they saw the shock troops of liberalism and the Democratic Party. Same with Brookings and the Washington Post and all the rest. And when they went to build their own versions of these institutions they patterned them off their own cartoonish understandings of how these operations functioned. The idea that institutions like CBS News or The New York Times were, whatever their faults and unexamined biases, fundamentally rooted in an ethic of news gathering and reporting was really totally lost on them.

So how do we get from this elemental misunderstanding to the raw and casual lying of the Fox of today? Well, that’s the thing: we don’t. Both were there from the very start. It’s all but impossible to disentangle the culture clash, the inability and refusal to really grasp what these institutions were, and the more open culture of propaganda, lying and mendacity. They’re fused together so tightly that getting your head around the relationship between them is more a matter of meditative absorption than anything that can be processed or explained discursively.

[...]
If you want to read the whole thing, you can pay to access it; alternatively, @[email protected] has posted about it graciously including a guest link. If you go to his Mastodon post here, https://mastodon.social/@jayrosen_nyu/109966217307755528, you should be able to click through to the article (it's the second link) and read the whole thing.

I have many thoughts about this, both quibbles and amplifications.

One of those thoughts is that it can be explained discursively: I just, coincidentally, did. The "conservative" project – meaning this thing that Marshall here identifies as starting in the 1950s – has always been to shape social truths by arguing them into existence, including by lying.

I have had a huge post brewing in the back of my head for longer than I've had a Patreon account on the topic of cosmopolitanism and its enemies, and another (or maybe another dozen) about the conservative movement that arose in the US in the 1950s (and arguably earlier) that Marshall here alludes to.

Frances Fitzgerald wrote a thing that blew my mind when I read it, about which I've been meaning to write since forever, which is about exactly the same rise of the religious right in the 1950s in the US. It was the final chapter of her Cities on a Hill, which was published in 1987. I'll not unpack it now, and just say that's a book absolutely worth reading. I found it an emotionally challenging read in the best way.

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Date: 2023-03-05 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hashiveinu
When the founders of modern conservatism looked at CBS News they saw the shock troops of liberalism and the Democratic Party. Same with Brookings and the Washington Post and all the rest. And when they went to build their own versions of these institutions they patterned them off their own cartoonish understandings of how these operations functioned. The idea that institutions like CBS News or The New York Times were, whatever their faults and unexamined biases, fundamentally rooted in an ethic of news gathering and reporting was really totally lost on them.

When conservatives talk about the "liberal media" I always think of how I paid attention to NPR's coverage of the 1992 election (at age 6-7) and I was confused because I couldn't tell who they thought the good guy was. That seemed counter to how everybody talked about politics in real life.

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Date: 2023-03-05 04:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stitchwhich
I miss that type of reporting. I know that yellow journalism is in no way a new thing but what we have now boggles my mind.

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Date: 2023-03-05 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hashiveinu
I don't listen to to the radio (it was always on when I was a kid because my parents listened to it), but I don't think I've seen recent articles from NPR that I would think were particularly biased.

I appreciate that non-conservative media sometimes does things like fact-check Trump. That's supposed to be their job.

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Date: 2023-03-05 03:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] princessofgeeks
Thank you for this; I will need to come back to it and will bookmark.

As a former journalist I have THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS: SO MANY THOUGHTS.
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Date: 2023-03-05 02:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hudebnik
The meme about "the liberal mainstream media" could be interpreted in either of two ways, and I think both are common:

* Humans are more likely to notice things that irritate them or are "going wrong" than things that go as expected. So it's natural to perceive the major news-media sources as more "against you" than they really are, regardless of your politics. And humans (or at least Americans) love to cast themselves as members of a persecuted minority, bravely standing up to oppression, which leads them to the same conclusion.

* Facts don't have a liberal bias, but liberals (at least in the past few decades) have a fact bias. Here I'm using "liberal" not in opposition to "conservative" but in opposition to "authoritarian". Objective facts refuse to knuckle under to authority, which makes their existence, and anybody who believes them, a challenge to authoritarians. Remember at the end of 1984 when Winston is asked "how many fingers am I holding up?" and is honestly unable to answer without being told what the "correct" answer should be? That's the authoritarian dream: people who not only believe the ruler over the evidence of their own eyes, but don't even think of "the evidence of my own eyes" as a source of truth at all. That's why any profession theoretically dedicated to objective facts -- scientists, journalists, judges, intelligence analysts -- is viewed with suspicion by authoritarians (left or right). Authoritarians may tell their followers something obviously nonsensical, just to see how many of them are "true believers", and those true believers may cling to the nonsense as a badge of their loyalty.

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Date: 2023-03-06 08:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hairyears
Defining facts as the enemy...

That's the route to the downfall of the Soviet Union, no matter how enthusiastically Pravda reports the successes of Marxism-Leninism.

Perhaps we should all go back and study the guiding philosopher of right-wing propaganda, Dr. Goebbels:

"The Big Lie can only be sustained for as long as the State can protect the population from the economic and military consequences..."

by way of a concurring opinion

Date: 2023-03-07 08:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] krinndnz
Rather rapidly, two things happened: First, Republicans realized they’d radicalized their base to a point where nothing they did in power could satisfy their most fervent constituents. Then—in a much more consequential development—a large portion of the Republican Congressional caucus became people who themselves consume garbage conservative media, and nothing else.

That, broadly, explains the dysfunction of the Obama era, post-Tea Party freakout. Congressional Republicans went from people who were able to turn their bullshit-hose on their constituents, in order to rile them up, to people who pointed it directly at themselves, mouths open.


Alex Pareene's The Long, Lucrative Right-wing Grift Is Blowing Up in the World's Face has this bit about it that has been haunting me ever since I first read it. It helped that I read it in the context of someone arguing that Karl Rove's party discipline and the immense gerrymandering efforts of the national GOP were tremendous contributors to the current state of affairs in a way tremendously contrary to the intentions of the gerrymandering-perpetrators:

By making safe districts in which Republicans no longer needed to worry about re-election, he ensured that the party apparatus had no control over its members. Republicans no longer had to care about whether the RNC would support them through a tough campaign, because there were no tough campaigns anymore. Instead, Republicans now had to deal with competitive primaries, where they faced challengers not from the left but from the right. This was a huge problem, because they’d spent the best part of two decades motivating the base to vote with increasingly paranoid and racist rhetoric in the sure and certain knowledge that they would be selecting the candidates that the base voted for.

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Date: 2023-03-06 01:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hudebnik
Totally agree. Yes, some things really are objective truths rather than social truths, and the person, organization, or society that treats the former as the latter is simply wrong. Mother Nature doesn't care about your arguments; when you disagree with her, she wins and you lose.

This is the mistake Trump made in regard to Covid: he knew public relations and knew nothing about public health, so he treated it from the beginning as a public relations problem (about social truth) rather than a public health problem (about objective truth). If he could just control the public perception of Covid, the problem would be solved. Likewise the GWB administration's dealing with Iraq, and the Nixon administration's dealing with Viet Nam, and so on: if you control public perception, that's the only reality you need to worry about.

Although as you suggest above, there was apparently a serious concern in 1918 that public perception of the flu pandemic would actually affect people's physical susceptibility to it. I think modern science would say that was overstated, but not entirely wrong: fear and stress do affect immune responses. So there isn't an entirely clear line between the two.

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Date: 2023-03-06 08:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cvirtue
Plus of course there is the Overton Window issue, specifically that if oodles of noise is made on one side or the other, it changes the balance of what is acceptable in the direction of the noise.

And I expect the Overton Window affects the various media bias charts out there, whereas I'd really rather the charts took into Overton Window changes and/or comparison with what is Left/Right in other similar countries. I understand much of Europe thinks that our left/liberal groups are very right-wing, for example.

If there's anyone who doesn't know what that is:
"The Overton window is the range of policies politically acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time. It is also known as the window of discourse."
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
Edited Date: 2023-03-06 08:22 pm (UTC)

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