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There's a thing you probably have encountered and maybe haven't really registered as it went by. It usually plays out like this. Somebody else takes a noun phrase – usually there's an adjective or two involved, sometimes multiple nouns – that seems perfectly ordinary and makes sense on the face of it, and which refers to something in the real world, and the speaker makes some bold assertion about it that strikes you as really weird, and possibly highly prejudicial. What they've said leaves you thinking, "wait, how could that possibly be true?"

That's all you get. That's all the sign of what's happening. That's the glitch in the matrix.

There's a lot of reasons that people make ridiculous claims about all sorts of things, and you will always be tempted to write it off as just ridiculous people saying ridiculous things and thinking no more about it.

But if you can catch yourself in that moment, and not reflexively dismiss it as silliness, you could, instead, ask yourself: "Hey, is that noun phrase maybe a technical term of art which means something much more specific and possibly quite different from what the individual words literally mean?"

Doing this? Is a super power. Lots of people can recognize specific technical terms that they are acquainted with. Few people cultivate the more general ability to recognize – or just suspect – that a noun phrase is a technical term they aren't familiar with.

It's easy to recognize a technical term as such when it's clearly from a foreign language or has a personal name embedded in it. If you're told someone has Throckmorton's syndrome, you may never have heard of it before nor have the slightest idea of what it consists, but you know it is A Thing, and, interestingly, know by the unfamiliarness of the name that, unless you know it by another name, you are unfamiliar with it. And it's not that hard to recognize as a term of art a noun phrase that has some incongruous assemblage of words: the incongruousness signals that the words are carrying more than their literal weight.

But we have this thing going on in English – ubiquitous now, but I blame the Cognitive turn in psychiatry – of using what seem to be perfectly banal, ordinary, everyday sorts of words to name technical things.

Such technical terms pass out from their communities of practice into the general discourse where they do two things: sow chaos and function as shibboleths. The chaos is probably obvious: technical terms being misused by the general public is not a recipe for clarity in word or thought, and words that are being read by some as having an unobvious technical referent and by others as literal absolutely guarantees mutual incomprehension and discourse-wide games of Telephone. The shibboleth thing is less obvious: these phrases by their correct (technical) use and comprehension sort the insiders from the outsiders. The proper uses of such bivalent phrases is thus one of those knowledge boundaries around groups of people I like to talk about.

My favorite simple, benign, and slightly incorrect example comes from MIT. If you go there, or hang out with people from there in some context with spoken word communication, you may eventually hear someone mention a location that will sound to you like "the green building".

There is such a building on campus. Building 54.

It is not green.

It's beige.

Or whatever you call it when you start with ecru and rub air pollution on it for a few decades.

It is, of course, named after Mr. and Mrs. Green. The Cecil and Ida Green Building is referred to as the Green Building for short.

There is, in fact, at least one green building on campus – to whatever extent you agree that verdigris is "green" – but it's not the Green Building. It's Kresge Auditorium. If someone tells you to meet them at the Green building and you go to the building that is green, you will not see them there.

Everyone at MIT knows this. Most people not affiliated with MIT don't know this.

It would be understandable if upon hearing someone refer to "the green building" for the first time you assumed that you could identify the building of which they were speaking by wandering around campus looking at buildings until you found the one that was green. That is what that noun phrase literally says. That is how adjectives work. But it would be a wrong assumption because the building isn't green, it is Green. Both the personal name Green and the building name Green are proper nouns, designated in writing with initial capital letters to make that clear – a marker that is absent the spoken word.

This illustrates a difference between proper nouns and common nouns. Common noun phrases describe their referent. Proper noun phrases do not describe, they merely designate. A woman named Joy can be in a bad mood; a man named Ernest can dissemble; and building named Green can be a light brown tinged with crud.

But as I said, this example is slightly incorrect for what I want to bring to your attention. So let us imagine an alternative MIT, in some near future perhaps, where because they have closed the campus, they have a color coding system for buildings, as to how open to the public they are. We can imagine in this counterfactual that there are "red buildings" into which the public is never admitted and there "yellow buildings" in which the public can be admitted if accompanied by staff or student. And then maybe there's one building – the Student Center, say – where the public can wander unsupervised, which is designated "green" because of that. And because it is the only one such building, it is referred to as the green building.

It's not green either. Not in the literal physical sense of reflecting electromagnetic radiation in the 495–570 nm range of wavelengths. But it is, shall we say, conceptually green, in the color-coding system of security designations we are imagining – an entirely internal jargon.

To people inside the knowledge boundary – alternative-MIT affiliates who know the color-coding system – the phrase "the green building" is still somewhat descriptive, but only insofar as they make salient the conceptual color-coding security system. The green building is the building that can be described as green in the security color-code system. But it doesn't describe the building in the more salient sense of the word "green", meaning physical color. And to people outside the knowledge boundary, who know nothing about the security system, calling the building "the green building" describes it not at all. That name is entirely a designation – apparently an arbitrary one. In being a designation, not a description, it's working like a proper noun phrase, not a common one.

(Indeed, we could imagine a far-future alternative MIT in which, across the galaxy, all MIT campuses have a building in which the public is made welcome, which is always called "the green building", though the security system was left behind on Earth and nobody remembers why such buildings are called "green buildings". Analogous to how we wound up with the term "green room", the origin of which is lost to history, or at least Wikipedia.)

That's what I want to bring to your attention: noun phrases that work like proper nouns, but look like – and are easily mistaken by outsiders for – a common noun phrase.

Call them improper nouns. It's like a stealth proper noun: like a proper noun phrase, it designates, without describing, but it sure looks like it's just garden-variety description.

It has none of the ordinary indications that proper nouns do that twig us it is designating without describing. Proper nouns, for instance, are designated with capital letters. In real-world MIT, the confusion fostered by the name of the Green Building is strictly an aural artifact. There's no confusion that the Green Building is not merely a green building in writing. Of course, we have no capital letters in spoken English, so there's ambiguity aloud. In our hypothetical color-coded MIT, that ambiguity persists in writing, because "the green building" is not just not a building that is physically green, but not capitalized either: it's an improper noun.

Likewise, if you heard someone had "dysthymia", you might have no idea what it meant, but you would recognize it was some sort of technical term, quite simply because you didn't recognize it, it being an entirely unfamiliar word. You might not realize the same thing if you heard they had "persistent depressive disorder" – which can be taken descriptively to just mean "a depression that sticks around a bunch" – which is a synonym for it. "Persistent depressive disorder" thus is an improper noun.

We have ways of indicating or at least suggesting a word is a proper noun or a term of art, and an improper noun uses none of them.

An improper noun is a phrase that has been recruited – or perhaps appropriated – from colloquial language by some technical people to designate a concept or thing important to them, but which is not only inscrutable to outsiders, it's nigh-invisible, in that it's easily mistaken for an ordinary descriptive phrase.

Now, I know, right now, there's someone out there reading this, rolling their eyes, and thinking, "this is all just semantics", and I want to let you know, whomever you are, that for once in your miserable excuse for an existence you have finally used the word "semantics" correctly.

But make no mistake, there's no "just" about it. It may sound like tedious, hair-splitting pedantry; that would be because it is. But it's powerful tedious, hair-splitting pedantry. Tedious, hair-splitting pedantry about semantics is to our word-ensorcelled, semiotically treacherous, bureaucratic, hyper-siloed civilization what the great tracking skills of hunters of yore were to the wilderness: an art by which sense is made of a great tsunami of information through the recognition and reading of some of the subtlest of signs. It is nigh magic. Tedious, hair-splitting pedantry about semantics is one of the most powerful weapons available to you; let me put it in your hands.

And this is no academic exercise.

This post was occasioned by three examples that crossed my desk in the same narrow window of time.

First, over on Reddit's r/science, somebody posted an article about research into the "highly sensitive person". A lot of commenters were very upset and bewildered by what they took the research to be saying about people who were particularly "sensitive", in some sense or another.

The problem here is that "highly sensitive person" doesn't just refer to people who are sensitive. Perhaps it should be in initial capitals, as a proper proper noun – "Highly Sensitive Person" – but in the popular press article, it wasn't. It's a psychological construct proposed by psychologist Elaine Aron. It is a technical term, with a technical definition and criteria. It is, in other words, an improper noun. The findings do not concern sensitivity per se, they concern people who meet the criteria for this psychological construct designated, non-obviously, by the improper noun "highly sensitive person".

One commenter angrily asked why would a researcher assume someone who is very easily annoyed by subtle physical sensations would also be prone to emotional rejection sensitivity. The answer is simple: the researcher didn't assume that. That's definitional to Aron's HSP construct. If you don't have both, you don't meet the criteria. Highly Sensitive People aren't just highly sensitive people, they're people who meet sufficient criteria for the Highly Sensitive People construct.

(As an aside, I keep using the word "construct", because if what Aron had proposed was a pathology, we'd call it a "psychiatric diagnosis" or "psychopathology". But one of her big points is that it's not a pathology. Had she written it later, she might have termed it a form of neurodiverity. We don't have a generic term for abstractions structured like diagnoses which don't describe pathologies. So I'm stuck with the vague term "construct".)

Aron's designation of her construct, "highly sensitive person", is an improper noun: it is a term of art which appropriates colloquial language to describe a technical construct which can't possibly be derived from the conventional meanings of the words used. It functions like a proper noun, but doesn't look like one, and has nothing intrinsic about it that suggests it is one.

Next example: in July, the federal government passed a law that PolitiFact described as "Gun safety ‘wrapped in a mental health bill’" (article), of which PolitiFact said:
The new law also provides up to $8.6 billion in funding over 10 years to support the build-out of certified community behavioral health clinics in every state in the U.S. These types of clinics, which already exist in 10 states as part of a pilot Medicaid program, are required to see people regardless of their insurance coverage and treat them for mental health or substance use issues. States would need to apply to participate in the program, which would begin in 2024.
In this paragraph, "certified community behavioral health clinics" is invoked as if that phrase were actually meaningful in and of itself. If you don't know how the federal government and mental health care facilities and money interact, that paragraph raises questions like, "Wait, only 10 states had behavioral health clinics that are in communities and are certified?" Of course not. Every state in the Union has what are called "community mental health centers", which are funded (poorly!) by the Feds.

Both of these terms, "certified community behavioral health clinics" and "community mental health centers" are improper nouns.

If you do know how the federal government and mental health care facilities and money interact, like me, this paragraph raises questions like, "JFC, have they invented an alternative to community mental health centers, or is this a rebranding of them? What even the hell is this?" Even if you know quite a bit of the context in which this the noun phrase "certified community behavioral health clinics" is dropped, you still can't figure out just from the words of the noun phrase what it means – because it's an improper noun. It looks like an ordinary noun phrase that can be read literally, and it is not, it's a jargon term functioning like a proper noun.

Again, the string, "certified community behavioral health clinics" should perhaps be in all caps – "Certified Community Behavioral Health Clinics", or a CCBHC – not unlike how "community mental health centers" (CMHCs) should be in all caps. What makes a CCBHC a Certified Community Behavioral Health Clinic is not that it's a behavioral health clinic that is certified and in/serves the community, but that it's a clinic that meets the Federal government's legal standard for what constitutes a CCBHC, which, I am informed by a random alleged-therapist I met on the internet who claims to work for one, is that a CCBHC, unlike a CMHC, includes primary care, and is apparently kind of like, or actually is, a medical home.

("Medical home" is another improper noun. It means a medical practice, usually but not necessarily a primary care provider, who coordinates all one's medical care. Mostly used for patients with complex medical problems and an army of treaters whose efforts need to be orchestrated.)

None of which is explicit in the description "certified community behavioral health clinics".

Likewise, I worked for a mental health clinic that served a neighborhood, but it wasn't a community mental health clinic. It even had underpaid clinicians serving indigent patients, like CMHCs generally do. But, no, CMHC is an improper noun that refers to a Federal program created in, IIRC, the 1970s. It was supposed to be what took up the slack when they emptied out the asylums and defunded the mental hospitals, and which was egregiously under-funded. The clinic I worked for was privately owned and not funded directly by the feds – though better than 95% of our clientele were on Medicaid or Medicare, so it was all Federal dollars under the hood – and not part of the CMHC program. So it was a community mental health clinic but not a "community mental health clinic".

Third example. A friend posted in confusion about her health insurance benefits, asking what was going on that mammograms are not considered "medically necessary", per her insurance, but instead "preventative care" – as if "medically necessary" and "preventative care" were mutually exclusive categories – and that furthermore "preventative care" is covered but "medically necessary care" would not be.

By now you probably see where this is going: those are improper nouns. She quite reasonably heard them to be saying that preventative care, such as mammograms, is not medically necessary.

I explained it was a legal artifact, constructed of those two categories:
All medical care that an insurer will pay for is "medically necessary care" – I promise you, insurance companies are real hard-asses about not paying for any medical care they can possibly argue isn't medically necessary – it's just some medically necessary care is also "preventative care".

"Preventative care" is not just preventive care, but preventive care that the government requires they cover in full no matter what your plan otherwise says. Put another way, "preventive care" is that subset of medically necessary care that insurers can't legally get away with not paying for by gimmicks like deductibles, copays, coinsurance, or any other terms and conditions. It's a fixed list of things they are legally on the hook for paying 100% for, no matter what.
In American health insurance both of these terms, "medically necessary care" and "preventative care", are technical terms of art which do not mean what the words colloquially mean. They are improper nouns. You cannot possibly know what they mean from their literal meanings. They are functioning like proper nouns, and have none of the indicators that they are proper nouns.

I expect some of you, confronted with these examples, are getting pissed off that improper nouns are even a thing. For what it's worth, it pisses me off too. I don't think it's deliberate deceptiveness, but I do think it's the rhetorical equivalent of negligent malpractice. It's a pattern of language usage which casts more shadow than light, and, as far as I can tell, has absolutely no upside unless you can find some benefit to causing misunderstanding and confusion.

I don't think there's a lot of point to raging about it now; the horse is well and truly out of the barn. We can endeavor not to coin new improper nouns, ourselves, and encourage others not to either. But the reason for me explaining all this is not to cast aspersion on it, but alert you to it so you can defend yourself from it.

As I started out saying, above, there's a magic in realizing that improper nouns are a thing, and happening all around you. By their nature, they're easily mistaken for ordinary noun phrases. But if you're aware that improper nouns are a thing, it becomes possible to listen for them. Not just to recognize specific improper nouns that you're hip to, but phrases going by that you don't recognize as improper nouns – but that you might notice were used in an odd way, a way that made you go, "that makes no sense."

Like I said, that's all you get. That sense of incongruousness, about what was said about the thing. Why would someone say that about highly sensitive people? Why would someone say most states don't have behavioral health clinics that are community based and somehow certified? Why would someone say mammograms aren't medically necessary care because they're preventative care? Why would someone call the building green?

That's all you get, but if instead of dismissing it as ridiculous people saying ridiculous things, you catch yourself and say, "Hang on, is this a public discussion of a technical thing? Is there something around here that's maybe an improper noun?"... suddenly you just crashed through the knowledge boundary. You're an outsider who just picked up on the insider signal. You might not know what it means, but that's what Google search is for. Use quotation marks. Include a word to indicate the context, e.g. "preventative care" insurance. It may take some digging. But with sleuthing, you can decode the improper nouns and, voila, you have hacked into the rhetoric of some community of practice you don't belong to. You are an outsider understanding their insider communications.

You're welcome.

Furthermore, just knowing the concept of an improper noun will empower you to discriminate between an improper noun's literal and actual meanings. When you think that insurers think "preventative care" isn't medically necessary, it's bewildering and enraging. Even if you know your insurance claims – through their customer service agents – to know that preventative care is medically necessary, the way they keep determinedly using the two phrases as mutually exclusive is an endless provocation to want to check in, testily, "You know preventative care is medically necessary, right?" – unless you have the concept of the improper noun. Without it, it's hard to keep the literal and actual meanings separate. They tend to keep crashing back together; one tends to regress to the mean of the literal meaning. Having the concept of the improper noun, understanding an improper noun designates, not describes, while looking like it describes, blows away the glamour improper nouns cast. The improper noun is just a buzzword, a euphemism, jargon – it has a meaning other than its literal one – and grasping that stops it being a rhetorical divide by zero error.

Now, I've said there's very little but a sense that someone has said something that made no sense to let you know to start looking for improper nouns. But there's some other sign posts to maybe start being suspicious that improper nouns might be around. I am less certain about this.

I am inclined to say that one should be extra alert to the possibility of improper nouns when discussing anything about people, and especially so for anything concerning psychology, medicine, or healthcare – extra especially if the government is involved. But that might be a kind of sampling error: those are topics I spend a lot of time and energy on, and perhaps I find them there because that's where I am, and really they're everywhere.

Perhaps another sign post is a noun phrase with too many vague, bland terms in it. Something that sounds particularly corporate or governmental. The phrase "certified community behavioral health clinics" does invite the question "why did those words need to be in that order, strung together like beads on a string"?

Perhaps there are others; I shall report back if I find or suspect them.

I commend the concept of the improper noun to you. There are all sorts of things I would like to explain to you, that will be much easier if you have this concept already.




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Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-01 07:48 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ewt
This reminds me of the way terms of dog-whistle racism function, as strings of words recognisable by an in-group to mean something other than what the plain reading says, while maintaining plausible deniability about the racism. Is, for example, "liberal metropolitan elite" an improper noun? How about "welfare queens" or "benefits cheats"?

Edited (Can't grammar) Date: 2022-09-01 07:49 am (UTC)

"Wait, isn't that, like, everything?"

Date: 2022-09-01 08:12 am (UTC)
brainwane: My smiling face, including a small gold bindi (Default)
From: [personal profile] brainwane
I get the "this is a term of art" vibe when I read/hear a phrase and think, "Wait, isn't that, like, everything?" as in "functional programming" or "product management". In each of these examples we see an adjective that, literally, applies to the whole field. All programming has to do with functionality/making things work, and, in technology, all management of developers and similar specialists has to do with the product. But FP is a particular approach and PM is a specific set of responsibilities.

So, some other examples in this vein might be: qualified lead, office hours, real name, floor staff, entitlement benefits/payments, whole word (re: learning to read)...

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-01 08:39 am (UTC)
sniffnoy: (Chu-Chu Zig)
From: [personal profile] sniffnoy
Worth noting, I think, that some people will equivocate (deliberately or not) between jargon and plain meanings, and one has to watch out for that too. :-/

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-02 09:48 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm wondering if the motte and bailey pattern isn't primarily caused by this.

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-06 03:57 am (UTC)
sniffnoy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sniffnoy
That seems if anything backwards to me; equivocation as I've seen it generally rests on conflation, i.e., having awareness of each sense but not recognizing that they are in fact separate senses rather than two descriptions of the same usage. Like the equivocation can be implicit -- say if W normally means X, and you say "W means Y", where it appears that Y is an expert's clarification of X but is in fact not identical. Then you just say "Z is W, observe how it's Y", and let people infer that it's X as well!

So -- to try to come up with an example that isn't politically charged :P -- let's say a person who works on water quality was like, "Potable water is water that has less than $concentration1 of $badThing1 and less than $concentration2 of $badThing2", because that is what their particular group used for their evaluations, but some listener failed to consider that said evaluations are not actually the same thing as whether the water is actually drinkable, and conflated "potable" in the sense of "satisfies these particular criteria" and in the sense of "is actually fit for drinking". This would make it harder for them to recognize situations in which the water passed the limited criteria but was not actually fit for drinking because they'd mistakenly grouped them under the same concept.

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-01 08:41 am (UTC)
weofodthignen: selfportrait with Rune the cat (Default)
From: [personal profile] weofodthignen
I think politics is also a fertile field for these. And that one of the problems with them is that they often add to the differences between national variants of English, as well as occupational and class variants. Notice how your second and third examples are both intrinsically US-limited. But a more international example is apparently Chronic Fatigue Syndrome; I'd been a bit puzzled by what WhatamIdoing was railing about in this Wikipedia discussion, and your post makes clear she's defending the terms of art/improper nouns.

However, isn't this the normal method of terminological expansion? I'm supposed to be writing right now about hammer rings, which without or even with the context of "Thor's hammer" is not going to be very clear to an outsider. The alternative term "amulet rings" isn't much better, and seems to have led to rings that have no pendant miniature objects being referred to under the same term by some archaeologists. But they're a thing. "Cellphone" uses a very special meaning of "cell" (and of course the etymology of "phone", as an abbreviation, would make it hard for a time traveler from 150 years ago to guess). Diseases used to get names compounded of Latin or Greek elements that sometimes take some explaining if you just know the meanings of the bits, but now that medical students tend to just study the bits, it's less apparent how much they, too, are conventional jargon. The "undistributed middle" that I had to try to explain to some of my freshman writing classes is pretty far from obvious too. Jargon makes my eyes glaze over; I'm much closer to your side than WhatamIdoing's; but people do need to be able to name things without attaching some person's last name to them.

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-01 09:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nancylebov
Genocide is another one. if you're talking common lauguage, you can feel like "a whole lot of people are being killed, why aren't they calling it genocide?", but if I understand it correctly, in international law, "genocide" means someone is obliged to do something about it.

In an ideal language, I think there should be a particle which marks improper nouns, perhaps indicating a few categories: legal, medical, scientific. I realize they can overlap.

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-01 11:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hudebnik
An example from one of your past posts: "popular kids" or "popular girls", which as you pointed out at the time has nothing to do with objective "popularity".

The field of mathematics is notorious for re-using common English words to mean extremely different things: "simple group", "ring", "field", "domain", "lattice", "series", "converge", "commute", "kernel", "map", "into", "onto", "correspondence", "partition", "normal", "injection", "rational", "real", "complex", "imaginary", "edge", "cycle", "tree", "open", "closed", "compact", etc. Many non-mathematicians think this is a deliberate attempt to confuse outsiders. In fact it's an attempt to be clear and unambiguous, in a field with an unusually high demand for clearly-defined, unambiguous terms. This demand could be met by making up completely new words (e.g. "homomorphism", "quaternion", which are obviously unfamiliar words for technical concepts), but how many completely-new words do you want to memorize for your job? By convention, the demand is usually met by using English words that, to people who live with these concepts day-in and day-out, are somehow suggestive of the concepts' distinctive behavior. (I remember a professor saying "'Open' and 'closed' are too useful a pair of words to be wasted on one another's opposites."

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-05 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] woakden
Growing up in a Math department I learned just how incredibly important definitions were. All of our lectures started out with definitions before moving on to Theorems.

Amusingly, the most heated argument I ever got into with my ex was on the topic of an infinite set. Which he was defining as "there ain't noting bigger" rather than "never going to run out". Since then, whenever I'm arguing with someone and they aren't making any sense, I start trying to define my terms as accurately as possible. I suspect that everyone has their very own set of Improper Nouns.

I think that every single academic field has their own set of Improper Nouns. I work on the boundaries between math, chemistry, physics, and biology...and half the job is translating what people actually mean.

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-01 12:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] landofnowhere
The one that came to mind for me was "Neuroticism", the Big 5 personality trait. I think there's a lot to unpack around that one, which you're probably in a better place to do than I am, but when someone says "women on average have higher neuroticism than men", a lot of people will react "OMG he's calling women neurotic! sexist!" while he thinks "I'm just reporting the scientific facts", which makes it hard to have a productive discussion from there (cf. James Damore).

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-01 12:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] juldea
another from the political sphere: "gender critical"

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-01 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Which leads into the point I was going to make: they're not all nouns (rather, in the examples used in the OP, noun phrases). They can be adjectival phrases or verb phrases as well. Probably other categories too - especially in math.

The linguistic term for creating these phrases is lexicalization (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lexicalization). Specifically, the second meaning at that link: "the treatment of a formerly freely composed, grammatically regular, and semantically transparent phrase or inflected form as a formally or semantically idiomatic expression." These phrases are no longer semantically compositional (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_compositionality); there is now information in the lexicon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicon)* of speakers who know what they mean about their specific technical meaning.

*A single word that has a specific technical meaning in a discipline. Should it be analyzed similarly?

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-02 10:28 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'd rather say that "Multword expression" / MWE is the term used in current NLP research on such phrases which have obtained independent semantics.

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-02 06:06 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
What's funny is "gender critical" people *claim* to be critical of gender as a concept, but they clearly believe there are exactly 2 genders, and they're only critical about 1 of them.

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-01 01:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nuclearpolymer
There is a niche capability in natural language processing (or I guess I should say, Natural Language Processing) about detecting & handling when a phrase has a meaning that is distinct from the combination of words used in the phrase. As you note, capital letters help for some of these types of phrases but not all of them. It is primarily a statistical test in NLP, I believe. For example, if the phrase "highly sensitive people" turns up way more often than "very sensitive people" and "highly sensitive patients" and "high sensitivity individuals" and "people who are highly sensitive", then the algorithm could start to suspect that it was a special phrase. NLP phrase finding will not distinguish between legal, technical, and pop culture special phrases. (Also, I do not know the technical name for this niche, and it is probably described by a special phrase.)

I remember hearing that it's a really different game when processing Chinese social media, because special phrases get created partly to get around censorship. So when one isn't allowed to reference a certain public person, place, or event, a special phrase will start popping up as a substitute.

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-01 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This paper (https://brenocon.com/JustesonKatz1995.pdf) just calls them "technical terms."

A more general application of this concept.

Date: 2022-09-01 01:49 pm (UTC)
blimix: Joe by a creek in the woods (Default)
From: [personal profile] blimix
This is what I am unavoidably reminded of:

In retrospect it had been an obvious sort of idea as cunning plots went, but Granger wasn't supposed to be cunning! She'd been too much of a Hufflepuff to use a Simple Strike Hex! Had Professor Quirrell been advising her despite his promise, or...

And then Draco finally did what he should have done much earlier.

What he should have done after the first time he met with Granger.

What Harry Potter had told him to do, trained him to do, and yet Harry had also warned Draco that it would take time to make his brain realize that the methods applied to real life, and Draco hadn't understood that until today. He could have avoided every single one of his mistakes if he'd just applied the things Harry had already told him -

Draco said out loud, "I notice that I am confused."

Your strength as a rationalist is your ability to be more confused by fiction than by reality...

Draco was confused.

Therefore, something he believed was fiction.

Re: A more general application of this concept.

Date: 2022-09-02 09:50 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
“I notice that I am enraged”

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-01 04:02 pm (UTC)
bugshaw: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bugshaw
Ah, maybe like the time person A was making accusations about person B and said they were without prejudice which I assumed meant they were still friendly towards person B despite everything. I didn't realise "without prejudice" had a specific legal meaning until it went to court. (Person A did know the meaning)

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-01 05:37 pm (UTC)
mdlbear: blue fractal bear with text "since 2002" (Default)
From: [personal profile] mdlbear

Math and computer science are littered with improper nouns, not to mention adjectives and adverbs (my favorite math example is "well-ordered", which sounds comprehensible until you hear that it's the result of a "well-ordering" relation).

"Artificial intelligence" is another good one, leading to my favorite architectural example: the D.C. Power Laboratory, former home of the Stanford AI lab. D is for Donald, of course.

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Date: 2022-09-01 05:44 pm (UTC)
buhrger: (math is delicious)
From: [personal profile] buhrger
in math, we have "complex simple Lie groups". Lie is a proper noun (and thus hopefully capitalized, oh, and it rhymes with "free", not with "fry"), but the juxtaposition of "complex" and "simple" probably seems to those not in the know like it must be a mistake. in context, it makes perfect sense.

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Date: 2022-09-01 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I am possibly making this story up, but I recall one science minister in Australia complaining about the frivolous grants being awarded, including one on "the theory of lies". It was of course for someone studying Lie theory, as in Lie algebras. Unclear whether the minister was misled by the (in effect) improper noun, or whether it was a deliberate confusion for a better headline.

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Date: 2022-09-02 06:49 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oh, yes, the political context was… something. This was the same government that last year used ministerial discretion to cancel grants that had been approved by the research council. (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/24/federal-governments-christmas-eve-veto-of-research-projects-labelled-mccarthyism) They weren’t particularly fond of the humanities.

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-02 04:57 am (UTC)
alexxkay: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexxkay
Tyop:
It's easy to recognized

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-02 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)

The problem isn't that jargon exists and borrows ordinary English words for custom use -- every field does that. The problem is that we don't have any way to indicate the namespace of the words we're using. And then that people can (and do) write valid English sentences which are type puns, either without realizing it, or intentionally in order to mislead.

Thirdly, that "public discussion of a technical thing" is sometimes presented to ordinary people without any indication that this is what it is. "The rest of the paragraph was plain English, written for us common folk. How was I supposed to know you were going to slip into Lawyerese for one phrase?"

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-04 05:44 pm (UTC)
cellio: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cellio

Using terms of art (improper nouns) when they can be misunderstood as regular words causes confusion (as this post says). The reverse sometimes happens: a person is using regular English, unaware of the existence of the improper noun, and is misunderstood by someone who knows the improper noun. This interaction is particularly dangerous with the "dog whistle" mixin, wherein someone behaving reasonably unknowingly uses a word or phrase that "those people" also use, and the listener jumps to a conclusion.

We need to be aware of improper nouns, and we also need to be aware that not all occurrences of what looks like an improper noun really are.

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-02 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gjm11
I suggest that in addition to the superpower Siderea mentions of noticing when a term someone else has used is an "improper noun", there is a separate superpower of noticing when you yourself are in danger of confusing someone else with improper nouns, and taking measures to prevent the confusion. An optimist might think this would be very common, but I think the optimist would be wrong.

"Turn left at the Green building. Oh, that's not a building coloured green, it's named after someone called Green. There's a sign on it."

"We study some characteristics of the so-called highly sensitive person, as defined by Elaine Aron."

Etc.

Obviously, this isn't going to happen where the confusion is deliberate, as perhaps it is with the "medically necessary care" and "preventative care".

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-02 01:27 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gjm11
I think one very common place where improper nouns and their relations the improper adjectives arise is in self-assigned names of ideological groups. This shades into the territory of proper nouns for actual official titles of well-defined groups, as when a religious group calls itself the Catholic Church (meaning: the universal church) or a political party calls itself the Liberal Party (meaning: "the" party that's in favour of freedom), but consider "pro-life" (really meaning pro one particular sort of life in one particular situation), "pro-choice" (really meaning pro one particular kind of choice in one particular situation), "gender-critical" (really meaning critical of one particular set of ideas about gender), "liberal" and "conservative" without the capital letters (plenty of people value freedom despite not being "liberal" or value preserving good things despite not being "conservative"), and so forth.

I expect you get the same with ideological group names assigned by their opponents, too, though right now my brain is failing to hand me any really good examples. ewt's examples of "liberal metropolitan elite", "welfare queens", etc., are in this ballpark but not quite the same thing. Perhaps "political correctness" / "politically correct" is an example.

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-03 10:43 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The MWE "politically correct" originated on the left, as a self-deprecating warning against ideological reflexiveness and rigidity; I think it's only been used on the right in the past twenty years or so.

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-02 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
For my money, "regular expression" is the best example of a phrase that will go right through your brain like water through a sieve if you don't recognize that it's a technical term.

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-02 09:23 pm (UTC)
metawidget: My full geek code.  Too long for DW alt tag, please see profile if interested. (geek)
From: [personal profile] metawidget
I feel like almost any compound expression involving the word "regular" in math and neighbouring disciplines is likely to be at least a moderately treacherous improper noun…

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-02 06:24 pm (UTC)
dodecahedron: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dodecahedron
Whoops, the comment about "regular expressions" was mine.

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-02 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Your first example made me think of a Sci-Fi mystery story: what if someone in 200 years reads the diary of a nowadays MIT student where he speaks about "hiding a treasure in the green building". The reader thinks they know what building it is (the one which is open to the public)... but at the end, the twist is revealed. Even better: the contemporary reader who has been to MIT thinks they know what the writer spoke about, but it is, in fact, the building that has the vaguely green color, because the writer just arrived in MIT and doesn't know of the Green building yet.

How many "green buildings" are historians searching for (because they're named in historical accounts) when those building were in fact grey or beige?

Re: Comment Catcher: Improper Nouns

Date: 2022-09-03 12:05 am (UTC)
selenite0: (Default)
From: [personal profile] selenite0
I suspect my industry's habit of adding extra words to the reasonable name and then turning it into an acronym nobody knows the source of may have evolved from that sort of confusion. If someone refers to the "TNCV" you know it's some context-specific term of art, regardless of what the words may be.

Tangent: you may enjoy the book "O Thou Improper, Thou Uncommon Noun: An Etymology of Words That Once Were Names" by Willard R. Espy. Lots of historical anecdotes of names becoming common words.

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Date: 2022-09-01 11:20 am (UTC)
cvirtue: CV in front of museum (Default)
From: [personal profile] cvirtue
Another: “Critical Race Theory.”

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Date: 2022-09-01 11:47 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Exactly what I was thinking throughout!

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Date: 2022-09-01 12:18 pm (UTC)
desireearmfeldt: (Default)
From: [personal profile] desireearmfeldt
A place I initially thought this post might be heading. :)

Although to me, any phrase including a word like 'theory' or 'syndrome' is flagging itself as a proper noun, whether it's capitalized are not.

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Date: 2022-09-01 02:08 pm (UTC)
catsittingstill: (Default)
From: [personal profile] catsittingstill
I think Critical Race Theory is in fact a *proper* noun, since it is capitalized in normal written use. It's not a stealth proper noun--and thus an "improper noun", like highly sensitive person or preventive care which are not capitalized, and thus look like simple descriptions.

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Date: 2022-09-02 11:05 pm (UTC)
metawidget: A platypus looking pensive. (Default)
From: [personal profile] metawidget
I don't know, as a sometimes-capitalized phrase made out of mundane words where you can't hear the capitals… it think it counts. And it definitely gets redefined by people wanting to use it as a political punching bag.

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