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(This is all being a bit of a theme at the moment.)

The Business Case for Reading Novels - just the title made me wince. And someone in the comments mentions a professor who 'teaches a leadership course using - instead of the traditional HBS case method - classic fiction as "cases.".... [he] explores the leadership lessons for anyone wanting "fresh" perspectives on the fundamental dilemmas facing managers today.'

I dunno, this is beginning to sound like The History of the Fairchild Family and Papa teaching his offspring the importance of controlling anger by taking them to the local gibbet where a murderer has recently been hanged. It's all about the lessons.

And then I thought, on the topic of Fings Wot Can B Lernt from Fykshun, about Mary McCarthy's remark that "You can learn how to make strawberry jam from Anna Karenina".

DR RDRZ - what Really Useful Bit of Knowledge have you learnt from fiction? I mean, really practical things, not the 'Ignore the instruction to tell no-one about your midnight rendezvous with a nameless person' or 'Go down to the cellar in pairs in the haunted house'.

Me, I remember the intelligence in some long forgotten children's book concerning avoiding those bright green patches when crossing the moors, because they were bogs that would swallow you up..

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But further to that article I posted about at the weekend about people going woez-woez-endofcivilisation about new technology/media etc, I was thinking about that phenomenon whereby somehow what people did in Teh Past is Natural to Humanity and Proper Human Knowledge, whereas what people have now is somehow spurious and wrong.

I'd allude here to those occasional jeremiads about how some significant % of modern schoolchildren had no idea what a buttercup/blackbird/whatever was and didn't realise that milk came from cows and eggs from hens (and all the various permutations of that kind of thing).

And of course the milk and eggs thing goes back at least as far as OMG Our Evacuees B Iggerant!!! during WWII and probably even earlier when well-meaning philanthropists took 'slum children' into the lovely healthy countryside (with its lovely moo-cows with bovine TB...)

While I concede, following my darling Dame Rebecca, that a sense of processes is a good thing, I also feel that knowing about buttercups is not necessarily better and more moral knowledge than the kind of things the average schoolchild needs to know to get by in modern society: it reeks of the nostalgic pastoral vision, no?

There are skills which are undoubtedly of great importance to a hunter-gatherer in the forest or on the savanna, but which are not (except in forms so highly adapted - isn't checking the use-by date/other nutritional info pretty much the same as checking that these berries are the edible ones and not those ones which are poisonous - that most people would not recognise them as the same thing) terribly relevant to the modern urban jungle.

Not to mention that there is also a degree of adaptability to different environments in the same person, not just different generations.

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In other news, today I was again up and down (pretty much entirely up) the City Road and this time I did see The Eagle, though did not go in and out of it.

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Yestreen, since I am at the house of family who have digital tv and replay facilities, I watched a programme in which I played a Nexpert, which I had not previously had the chance to see.

I was actually talking about something on which I am not a Real Expert but do know a fair amount more than the average person on the Clapham omnibus, which is pretty much all you need for the average TV history programme, in my experience. Also, noticed that one of the production team was someone I had worked with on a radio programme in which I was demonstrating my knowingz in the same sort of area, which may have factored in.

So for all I know people who are real experts were beating their heads on the wall and going 'how come they asked her?'

Because I was doing pretty much that when they had someone talking about something on which I think I do count as SRS expert, as they demonstrated their chronological misconceptions, general lack of understanding, and got one fact dead wrong that both partner and my elderly father knew better than.

I can see that it might confuse the viewer to have the same Nexpert being Knowledgeable about different things? or is it just that only the presenter is allowed to do that?(wot, me, cynical?)

I'm not really surprised (shocked, but not surprised) that anyone who sounds reasonably plausible to the junior research assistant who makes the first contact, and has some kind of credibility (and I'm not that certain about that), probably ends up being on the programme, particularly if they can fit around the production schedules.

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Good thing: someone has preordered the Biography!
Bad thing: revealing that Amazon has got the wrong classification code in its database and is listing it as something that it is not.
Sigh. Publishers on this, however.

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Amusing typo spotted today:
Beyond the Ballet: Culture, Politics, and American Elections
Or, possibly, looking at the CFP, I just wonder if they're trying to be really a bit too clever-clever there: because I think most people are going to look at it and go 'Er, that is not how you spell "ballot"', rather than go 'Yay witty!'

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Musing today on the extent to which it is possible to undertake to 'fight all the oppressions' and the extent to which people should not be condemned for sticking to a last and getting somewhere with it in a way that wouldn't happen if they dissipated their energies too broadly.

Though ideally, with mindfulness that theirs is not the only struggle and there are others.

This is, I concede, a different thing from someone being egregiously and gratuituously awful.

And I'm not sure that it's entirely the same thing as someone not going as far as they might along one path because they can see that holding back on that will let them go further, at that particular juncture, on another. (cf Edith How Martyn writing to Margaret Sanger just after the advent of the Republic in Spain that it was probably advisable for Spanish women to concentrate on female suffrage before beginning the birth control fight.)

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Is there any way, in Thunderbird, to get messages that need action on some particular date to pop up again?

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My honest doubt also has a sounder basis of knowingz besides the whole more faith in thing going for it: Atheists, agnostics most knowledgeable about religion, survey says - though not, of course, in this particular company.

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This is a news website article about a scientific paper (via [personal profile] movingfinger). Mutatis mutandis, also applies to articles about historical papers, no? (Have just been reading over an article by a friend and colleague about media 'history' Mi justifiable scare quotes, I show u them.)

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And this week's conferral of the It's Always More Complicated Award I think probably goes to David Aaronovitch for what sounds here (and in the other review I read in something probably not yet accessible online) like an excellent book about conspiracy theories in history, Voodoo History.

A S Byatt suggests that Ibsen's Nora is far from an admirable character, but isn't that the point? that she undergoes a maturational process about the world outside her head comparable to that of Gwendolen Harleth in Daniel Deronda?

Okay, it's only a picture-book, but I'm still a bit 'Huh?' about a book featuring naked mole-rats which appears egregiously to ignore the fact that they are a matriarchal species and makes 'their oldest and wisest' Grand-Pah. Pah, I say, and also Pshaw.

Jeremy Paxman on reference works and the differences between the ODNB online and in physical format: 'a reference book's capacity for serendipity will score over the web every time': but on the other hand if you want just quickly to check someone's dates and career details, the online version scores. He's a bit snotty about what counts as Truly Historically Important in the selection. He also doesn't mention the sometimes extremely bizarre matching of biographer to subject: I was horrified yesterday to see that Alice Stewart was 'done' by her longtime antagonist Sir Richard Doll, a mean feat achieved by outliving her.

Epidemic dance: this is surely not the first book on this, but it sounds interesting nonetheless.

Lucy Mangan's children's bookshelf: this week, for the rather younger reader, Joan Robinson's Teddy Robinson, whom I remember vaguely - possibly being read to my sister or brother rather than myself. Presumably a different Joan Robinson from the eminent Cambridge school economist...

Ben Goldacre: current flu drugs not miracle cure, but still better than nothing (runner-up for IAMC award of the week, perhaps). On a related subject, James Randerson fulminates about the continuing consequences of the MMR canard.

Ian Jack reminds us that many famous writers of the past did not make a living at it and had day-jobs.

A C Grayling on the difference between knowledge and intelligence and how testable the latter is.

Our new Poet Laureate: Carol Ann Duffy herself on her appointment, news report, Mark Lawson on the possible benefit to the 'cultural health of the nation'.

And in associated women poet news, I am unable to find the link to the obituary of U A Fanthorpe: another late-blooming career.

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This is a wonderful book - it's not perfect, because the whole subject is just at its beginning and things are only beginning to be thought about and defined. And in a volume of edited essays (pretty interdisciplinary) there are going to be some which resonate more than others. But it opens up new perspectives and vistas and generates 'aha' moments.

It is about the opposite of epistemology: instead of how knowledge is constructed, it's about how unknowledge is constructed.

So it deals both with the things that people don't know (because they're not looking or their mindset means they can't even see certain things) or that they believe wrong things about.

And it's terribly relevant to various recent stuff: RaceFail 09 certainly (not just the piece on 'White Ignorance' but several other pieces which look at whose knowledge counts and forms part of the picture and is woven into the genealogy of a subject) but also the recent revelations over the MMR vaccine business. There are several articles which deal with the ways in which 'science' is deployed to confuzzle scientific findings (e.g. over the risks of smoking, or on environmental issues) and the spurious appeal to 'balance' in the debate as if both sides had equal credence.

And, of course, sexism is interwoven with these (such a pity that there isn't, perhaps, something on Alice Stewart, or some other highly qualifed woman who came up against the male medical or scientific establishment). There's the lost history of West Indian herbal abortifacients, and the convoluted knowledge/ignorance around the female orgasm.

It's an academic work, and some of the articles are dense, and some are a bit dry, but it's exceedingly worthwhile reading, taken in smallish doses.

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Crocuses and daffodils in the narrow verge beside the local playing field!

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The gratifying sensation of having turned a job around extremely expeditiously: though, NB, when people say that they are holding back 'a few' items which will eventually end up in the archive while they prepare a publication, I don't really expect 'a few' to mean, nearly two-thirds as much again as they transferred last summer. But in spite of having to slot stuff in around an already catalogued collection (substantial parts of which were not catalogued by us, hem-hem), I have catalogued over a dozen standard boxes worth of archives in just under three weeks. Sing hey and give a merry twirl for having adequate cataloguing space!

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How lovely to have lunch with another Maude Royden fangirl! (Other topics of mutual scholarly interest were touched on...)

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Okay, a niggle which has been rather to the fore this week. People, if you're going to tell your students that they ought or even must contact me or speak to me, could you be a bit more forthcoming about why? And whether they need to actually speak to actual me at all, because we have lots of lovely helpful information on our website, not to mention bevies of helpful and knowledgeable archivists and librarians. And are you telling them because they need my archival expertise, or my historian's knowledge? And if they do need to speak to me, do they really need to set up an f2f meeting, or could I possibly answer their questions on the phone or in email? (or does the radiant light of my countenance transmit vibrant waves of good research karma?)

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I'm intrigued by the phenomenon whereby, because I have demonstrated that I am reasonably knowledgeable in some area, people immediately assume that I must know about related (or even completely unrelated) area in some authoritative way. (Arising from question session after presentation I did at work yesterday.)

Uh - no.

Meedja people are particularly bad for this, I find - having got someone there to be a Nexpert, by god, they are going to squeeze as much out of them as possible, because they've already established them as a Nexpert, so what they say about something on which they're as well-informed as anybody who has ever read a book on the subject garners as much cred as the stuff they've done srs rsrch on.

This is somewhere on the amusing/annoying borderline, but of course it has rather more problematic repercussions when you get, e.g. Nobel scientist in one field getting coverage and even kudos for his (the examples I can think of are all his, am I entirely surprised?) views and profound thorts on some field well removed from his own. (The example I think of here is William Shockley, who got the Nobel for co-inventing the transistor, but is probably best known for his involvement with the 'Nobel Sperm Bank' and his views on race, eugenics, etc, but James D Watson, I'm also looking at you.) This notion of the all-purpose expert who no everything there is to no is troubling.

oursin: The Delphic Sibyl from the Sistine Chapel (Delphic sibyl)

Heaven doth with us as we with torches do
Not light them for themselves; for if our virtues
Did not go forth of us, 'twere all alike
As if we had them not.

Realise one of my problems with article mentioned in previous post is that it's all about cloistered experts discussing a phenomenon, the discussion to be kept among themselves, the laity not to be informed and certainly those more intimate with the phenomenon not considered as potential informants rather than objects to be observed. Yeah, and so what? The jury is still out as to whether it's true of poetry, but this sort of thing makes nothing happen.

What I'm interested in is what happens when discussions and ideas get out into the wild beyond such closed circles. Because that's when things happen.

It is, of course, much harder to establish, because there usually aren't the formal mechanisms of record and recognition.

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A tangential train of thought started by the various posts concerning LJ's new 'flagging for adult content' facility,* and people mentioning what they read at what age and whether they even noticed the 'adult content' elements.

I'm pretty sure I didn't really get what The Charioteer was all about, in spite of already having read Renault's historicals, when I first read it c. age 14/15.

I was positively encouraged to read works of historical fiction, such as Anya Seton's Katherine, which included large amounts of extra-marital shagging, marital rape, and the fearfully camp Nirac de Bayonne (it was only many years later that I realised what the expression about his 'tepid' feelings towards women actually meant).

This may have been on the principle identified by Naomi Mitchison in the 1930s that anything goes providing it's not in modern dress, and the longer away in time the more you can get away with.

Or that historical fiction had that element that one was, presumably, learning something about history

But I was also reading women's magazines, which at that time were becoming less euphemistic, and the newspapers - though I can't remember what, if anything, I made of the Profumo case even though I do remember reading about.

I had what I think of as a fairly sheltered adolescence by modern standards, yet I was reading all these things which might well qualify as 'adult content'.

*Am now thinking, this needs elaborating much more if you're going to have it, like flagging as in the handkerchief code, of which I don't know the intricacies (okay, I'm sure Google or Wikipedia would tell me) but as I understand it flags up sexual preferences by the side on which handkerchief is worn, colour, and possibly other elements (knots in the corners?) which I am forgetting. I want one for 'uses long words, convoluted sentence structure with too many parentheses, content includes flagrant feminism, frequent cod-slaps, and occasional sheer silliness'.

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I know it's in the poorest of ton to quote compliments that people have made one, but this, from [livejournal.com profile] callunav was very thought-provoking and I don't think I can go into the thoughts that riffed off it without citing:

You demonstrate - habitually, maybe even casually - that it's entirely possible and useful to explore at least a part of a complicated issue, and that those explorations are not less meaningful for being necessarily incomplete.

Which led me to think of intellectual styles, and knowledge as painstakingly put-together jigsaw (or maybe a better metaphor would be reconstructing a mosaic of which you may not even have all the pieces) versus knowledge as aerial photograph.

I have the greatest respect for people who can do Big Picture really well, but too often (especially perhaps in the Grand History of Everything type of popular study) there is some 'key to all mythologies' theory that shapes and focuses the Big Picture.

Which is helpful when doing that sort of thing, but very prone to creating distortion.

There's a poem by Robert Graves, In Broken Images, which is so relevant I think I have to cite here in full:

He is quick, thinking in clear images;
I am slow, thinking in broken images.

He becomes dull, trusting to his clear images;
I become sharp, mistrusting my broken images,

Trusting his images, he assumes their relevance;
Mistrusting my images, I question their relevance.

Assuming their relevance, he assumes the fact,
Questioning their relevance, I question the fact.

When the fact fails him, he questions his senses;
When the fact fails me, I approve my senses.

He continues quick and dull in his clear images;
I continue slow and sharp in my broken images.

He in a new confusion of his understanding;
I in a new understanding of my confusion.

(Ah Graves, about whom my feelings are definitely IAMC: such shafts of wisdom, such entire pages and even books of utter woo-woo.)

I'm just so very doubtful that there's a Key to All Wisdom available, even if, once we have enough information on particular things, we might be able to discern patterns that might possibly be useful and productive.

On another hand, maybe 'just getting this corner of the mosaic/jigsaw sorted out' lacks ambition? It's certainly a strategy against being deterred by the immensity of the project. Rather like deliberately choosing to write something that is not e.g. The Great American Novel.

Knowing about other bits of the mosaic/jigsaw, rather than just one's own small corner, is undoubtedly helpful in the task. (At the very least, if you're writing on sewage reform in Bradford, 1830-1845, it might be useful to know what was happening in Leeds or Wakefield, and the content of contemporary parliamentary debates.)

So I realise I'm coming round here to the notion that Big Picture stuff is fine if it also has the sense that if you zoom in on a corner there would be complex stuff going on (George Eliot's metaphor of the drop of water and the microscope) and that the corner of the mosaic approach is best when it has that sense that one can zoom out and see where it fits in a bigger context.

One thing I do know: it's always more complicated.

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A very telling quotation by Edith Hamilton posted here by [livejournal.com profile] cdpoint:
Greater knowledge does not mean greater certainty. Oftenest the very reverse is true. We are certain in proportion as we do not know. We seem, indeed, so made that intellectual certainty is not good for us. We grow arrogant, intolerant, unable to learn and to attain better grounds of certainty precisely because we are certain.

Or, the more that we know, the more we know just how much we don't know.
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Zoe William answers the question: Why do so few women enter Mastermind?:

Maybe the intricate hoarding of facts, necessary for all quiz shows but particularly so for Mastermind, strikes women as pointless and indicative of mental disorder. Maybe women have a thinner membrane between their two active brain cortices, which facilitates the big-picture analyses known as multitasking but leaves them unable to concentrate on the novels of Len Deighton enough that they would know what Bernard Samson's best friend is called (although I'm a woman, and I know that).

Maybe they have no sense of the purity of knowledge, for its own sake, and see the collection of facts as a faintly grabby, ungenerous business. Maybe they think that if you are going to grabbily hoard information, you may as well spin some proper cash out of it, and go on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire.

There is no explanation for this phenomenon that doesn't reflect badly on women in some way, if only by lumping them together as one psychic mulch. The responsible feminist, therefore, ignores this new information. Or applies to go on Mastermind.

We once had a contract member of staff who clearly saw the job as something that he did to while away the time when not being a serious quiz-competitor. I'm not sure that he was on Mastermind (probably was) but actually cropped up some years later in a press anecdote about The Weakest Link. He doubtless had vast resources of miscellaneous knowledge; and was one of the most boring people in existence, i.e. all that information and no general conversation whatsoever. I have a fair reservoir of misc. knowl. myself, and was on my university's University Challenge team (and not the only one in this company, either). But was never really tempted to take this further in spite of my UC success.

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And yay for Victoria Coren's insight:

A woman called Sam Deakin has made the papers after hacking into her ex-boyfriend's MySpace page and typing up his infidelity. His comment: 'I admit I cheated. I'm a man.'

Meanwhile, Chris Tarrant tells an interviewer he was unfaithful to his wife because 'it's something boys do'.

I would respect this helpless biological argument if men also used it while wetting themselves, or biting into a passing cow. But no; somehow self-control only becomes an evolutionary impossibility when it comes to shagging other women. Funny that.

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A thought somewhat stimulated by the colloquium, but something I think about generally from time to time.

The assumption that people will no longer need to 'clutter their minds up with facts' when all knowledge everywhere is available on Teh IntahWebsThing and they can 'just look it up'.

(Recollect here the horror expressed in The Praise Singer when Simonides finds his ?nephew writing poems down instead of committing them to memory according to immemorial oral trad. Assumption that capacity to memorise will wither and die now people can write stuff down.)

Quite apart from any concerns about the quality of the information available:

To make sense of facts or information you do have to have other information or knowledge to connect it to - NB all those sf stories of person who has lost memory/been plunged into alien society and is completely unable at first to make sense of anything, because there are no pre-existing referents.

And things have to strike up against one another and make a connection or resonance in someone's brain to create new ideas - this was very clear at the colloquium where things were sparking off all over the place in a way that couldn't have happened if people weren't already in possession of a large amount of data about the various topics that came up in papers, during discussion, etc.

And people who make bloopers when their field of knowledge is too narrow: one of my favourite examples is academic book in which author was making big theoretical case out of certain C19th photos of women (I can't recall whether they were criminals or lunatics or what, in context) being head and shoulders, and thus cutting off and eliminating their bodies. - You know, following that completely non-gendered portrait convention going back at least to the Renaissance. Had author never been to an art gallery?

I'm not sure where this goes, but I feel that having one's own personal organic random (sometimes very random) access memory is something which has not yet had its day.

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An interesting, though at points also maddening, article by Ben Goldacre, who has been doing the 'Bad Science' columns in the Guardian for quite some while, 'Don't dumb me down: We laughed, we cried, we learned about statistics ... why writing Bad Science has increased his suspicion of the media by, ooh, a lot of per cents'. I agree with his main points, about the way in which science gets simplistically reported in the media - 'Science stories usually fall into three families: wacky stories, scare stories and "breakthrough" stories

But: I'm a bit ruffled by his ire against 'humanities graduates'. Hello? over here? history was among the humanities last time I looked (and today I have been looking quite a bit, trying to find postal addresses on university websites). What Goldacre says about the reporting of the processes of scientific discovery

these stories sell the idea that science, and indeed the whole empirical world view, is only about tenuous, new, hotly-contested data. Articles about robustly-supported emerging themes and ideas would be more stimulating, of course, than most single experimental results, and these themes are, most people would agree, the real developments in science. But they emerge over months and several bits of evidence, not single rejiggable press releases.

seems fairly applicable to a lot of the reporting of 'exciting new historical discovery' (not to mention the far from uncommon notion that somewhere out there is a document or other piece of evidence that will definitively prove this or that, rather than a case having to be built up through snippets from various sources). My own prejudice in this matter (from my own experience with meedja 'researchers') is that it's far more to do with the way people in the media think, rather than, for example, academic debates about 'cultural relativism' (of which Goldacre's characterisation is as crude as any of the science reportage he cites).

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Julian Baggini, in today's 'Wisdom's Folly', on the text 'Knowledge comes but wisdom lingers':

Wisdom is frail, and nothing shatters it more violently than the belief that it has been permanently acquired. This, more than anything else, has been the raison d'etre of Wisdom's Folly. We gather insights, but over time we stop thinking about them and they degenerate into empty cliches. We take them for granted, oversimplify them or miss their key point and their insight is lost, replaced by foolish misunderstandings.

To be wise is not to achieve a state of maturity from which one never regresses, but to keep one's understanding sharp by persisting in a habit of constant questioning. This is not the serenity of the mythical sage but the gruelling vigilance of the mind that rejects received certainties.

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One thing that is guaranteed to ruffle me (if not actually get my hackles rising) is an assumption that I don't know something I do know, or that I'm not doing some kind of sensible thing that I am doing/have done already. This is probably not reasonable, and there is presumably a basis in long experience why it's necessary for IT helpdesk people to enquire whether the machine is plugged in, switched on and properly connected. There are things that are not within the realm of 'eny fule no'. But partly (I think) this is a question of tone and phraseology, because there must be appropriate ways of asking whether certain basic points have been covered. My own favourite line in answering the kind of queries I get is 'I assume you already know about' Major Study of Subject or Really Important Archival Resource, although I get a sufficient number in which it is unfortunately quite obvious that the enquirer does not know about the National Archives, the National Register of Archives or the Family Records Centre. But maybe that also comes over as patronising?

However, it's also ruffling when people assume I have some kind of expertise I don't have, on rather dubious grounds, for example the assumption someone once made that I was sufficiently up in botany and wild flowers that I could authoritatively identify a rather drab little plant in Afghanistan. This was, on the whole, amusing: less so is the tendency of media researchers and interviewers to assume that Historians know All About All History, back to the Stone Age at least. Even after you've told them your Area.

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