ETA, 12-10-24: I would've posted this days ago (and gotten to comments sooner) but I've been tied up working, then got sick (poisoned myself): turns out the right - and the right alone, as nowhere else on the internet will you see this - not only has thoughts for "trans" and "looks like a woman" alone, but even wound these very thoughts into yet another conspiracy theory in which there's a "trans mass shooter epidemic", because of course there is.
Also forgot to mention all the Breitbart commenters saying "false flag" because of course false flag, but as we all know he's since been apprehended, is, as far as anyone can tell, a man, allegedly did the shooting for about the reasons anyone normal might've suspected, and despite the internet's massive crush (they've been swooning over him) is not my cuppa - while his smile is fucking killer (no pun intended!) most of his politics and leanings, which to me are just as important as looks, maybe not so much.
Wasn't going to send him fan mail anyhow, nor do I think what he did was right, but if the only silver lining in this is the conversations he's started over the sorry state of US health care hopefully that spurs us on to finding real solutions (*cough* single-payer *cough* - so stupid-easy if they'd just do it). Considering the upcoming regime change we might have to wait at least 2-4 more years on that though, regardless.
Ah, well.
No political party's a monolith - so most of us might eventually run into a few folks who say, "I voted for him, but", their words tinged with more regret than adequately conveyable in any typical convo.
As to people jumping ship - with or without leaving the party they supposedly belong to - you might look no further than the Joe Manchins, Krysten Sinemas and John *screams* Fettermans of the world. Or take Tulsi Gabbard, Russia's golden girl. Christ, while I'm not sure why, we used to claim Elmo. And Zuck!
Either way, outliers like them, and people who get burned in MAGA world, presumably, can and will happen, but I wouldn't take that as a sign that for every one of them there's x amount of MAGA(ts) you haven't heard from who feel the same. If I were betting (and oooooh me and bets) I'd say don't count on it.
What inspires me to share this is yesterday's news of a UnitedHealthcare CEO rudely gunned down on the streets of NYC. Turns out each bullet used was marked with a single word such as "delay", "deny", or "depose". This is thought to possibly tie the words marked on them into a currently ongoing lawsuit against the company.
Historically speaking, UnitedHealthcare is the one insurance company most likely to deny people's claims - with 32% routinely rejected - and is currently using AI to reject over 90% of claims so as several headlines have blared you're looking at oh, just 80 million suspects.
On presumably mainstream to left-adjacent media the reaction's been about what you might expect: everything from icy cold sarcasm to anger to rage. On the right?
The only touchpoints over 2300+ commenters to this Breitbart article* have been reacting to are: 1) the shooter "looks trans", "looks like a woman", "is two different people" based on a few blurry, low-quality photos turned over by the police, with tons of OT threads weirdly going on about Ketanji Brown Jackson having the nerve to be a Black woman even while sitting on the Supreme Court.
Not quite what you'd expect?
I've seen some rare comments pointing not to the idea that health "care" companies are fleecing us, but that Mexican cartels and Kenyans are fleecing health care companies (there might be some truth to this, though that's hardly the only thing you'd think they'd get up in arms about, so to speak).
If you were expecting a large, rage-y, sarcastic sit-in on right-wing media to match the energy of...everyone else today, forget it. Beyond raging over the shooter's allegedly trans looks, it's not happening (and I've been following along since 700+ comments just to see if it did).
Breitbart, for right-wing media, is I'm guessing pretty middle of the road, as heavily slanted as it is, so you might figure the income level it attracts naturally pulls in lower to upper middle class people who might have...health insurance, or am I flying too close to the sun to assume it's so?
Are these right-leaning, health insurance-owning people expressing even one bit of bitterness over anyone they know or themselves going without needed healthcare over the denials these companies issue as routinely as most people wipe their asses? Nope, not one bit.
I've had no choice then but to conclude they must support our health "care" system's one, singular goal: to get the rich richer off of their own backs, even from the backs of their own hearses - getting the healthcare you need and getting to live be damned.
What matters, the real meat of the whole thing - and I can't emphasize it enough because neither can they - is the shooter "looks trans". It's almost like they can't think of anything else to say!
I wish I was making all of this up.
I know what a lot of you might be thinking as I've valiantly hoped against hope for this, myself: that MAGA(ts) will regret it when: a) America sinks into national emergency/martial law starting on or soon after Jan 20th (no, they'll LOVE it - are you even kidding me?).
That they'll regret it when they lose their: b) Medicare, c) Medicaid, d) SNAP and/or all related forms of cash or non-cash assistance, e) Social Security and f) all other walls against danger, want and need such as the DOE, EPA, FDA, FDOT, FEMA, OSHA, FTC, FCC, etc. - all programs and agencies that Project 2025, Agenda 47, The American First Policy Institute (Stephen Miller's baby), Elmo & Co. and many congressional Rs have their sights on.
You can see the writing on the wall in observing Breitbart's comment section on a superficially non-Trumped-up topic such as the high cost of - and low ROI on - so-called health "care".
For them it's worth paying through the nose to get increasingly little in return - all so they can call any possibly non-gender-conforming person "trans", make fun of Black people and blame their problems on women, non-gender-conforming people, any other special interest group that annoys them and all people of various non-white shades and non-white religions, not to mention Demoncrats, libruls and progressives.
You're like, "Wait, this can't be all they signed up for, right? Hatred?"
It's exactly what they signed up for, Bertha.
They're fully prepared - excited, even - to start paying $20 for 12 10 eggs ("50% more eggs than in our last cartons!"), $10 for a gallon of gas and die in the streets once they can no longer afford their sky-high rents and mortgages in return for what Dear Leader's offering them.
That's the free-dum to yell hate slurs at the top of their ever-hatin' lungs anywhere they want and to blame everything going wrong on all the groups they can't stand, anyhow, from now 'til the end of time!
That's it. That's their one weird trick.
I just - I don't want anyone to eventually regret losing sleep at night hoping the other side will regret any of this. Everything they - and we - lose will be carefully orchestrated by heavily Russian-tinged media to be the fault of Dems, Biden, Hunter, Obama, Blacks, POC, "illegal aliens", a woman, a non-white man, and so on until you're nauseous from hearing it.
Dear Leader's freed them to say what they want and to do anything they want about it - whatever *it* might be. And for that? They'll gladly lose money, jobs, homes, a limb and their own lives to shitty or no health insurance, that's my feeling.
You can say, "Oh but see, that's what fascism is - where the Powers That Be raid everything from government coffers to our own wallets while distracting us with endless culture wars and political blame games in hopes no one will notice or care how they're bankrupting us", and you wouldn't be wrong.
The part I can't wrap my mind around is how roughly half the population can't wait for it to happen.
*Not linking to their comment section, found under their Disqus comments button.
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Date: 12/6/24 09:12 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 12/11/24 04:37 am (UTC)It seems hard to put The Orange down to purely any one ideology which leaves me more or less at him leading a "theocratic fascist autocratic oligarchic kleptocracy", the shortest/sweetest way I can put it considering it looks like it'll involve much more, besides (like technocracy and monarchist aspects).
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Date: 12/6/24 11:52 am (UTC)In any case, I am not surprised. Any Trump voter who is not rich has voted against their own best interests, and their half a brain cell is too filled with hatred and prejudice for them to see it.
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Date: 12/11/24 04:45 am (UTC)Comments-wise though, it's about what you'd expect: mostly misspelled, poorly worded rants about anything/anyone that swings even one degree left, with "left" defined solely as whatever they're against - even if that means being against their own interests.
Come to think of it, though, nice smile = trans might be the conspiracy theory of the year - but again my assessment of Breitbart's based on overall reportage, not their sorry-ass commenters.
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Date: 12/6/24 12:21 pm (UTC)Until their darling daughter gets raped but their local minister. Then, well maybe they'll change their mind... just this once. Then they'll change back to yelling *n-word* etc.
For others it might be a wake up call that they'll actually answer. I hope that the more will realize they've been lied and tricked and will change.
Not holding my breath.
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Date: 12/11/24 05:14 am (UTC)In his case, you tell these fools that in return for voting against their own interests - which he made super-clear - they'd get to yell racial and ethnic slurs and take it out on The Other however they want.
They cast their votes like he was the only way to right their sinking ships, which tells us hating's more important to them than anything getting better.
In Orangini's mind, why offer them (and by extension, all of us) anything good when you know they'll throw it away in exchange for what they think's even better - the "freedom" to say and do whatever they want?
There's also the other aspect: that if he were to offer anything good his base would have to reject it if that meant people on the left/of color/of other religions/sexualities/genders might stand to benefit - like yes, they want health care, but not if trans and Blacks get it and yes they want Social Security, but not if an Arab or Mexican can also collect it and yes they want a great economy, but not if it has to happen off the backs of "illegals" also benefiting from it, etc.
So between all of it it's almost like the base locked him into the only clear choice he had.
Did he have to run on those particulars/go on to conduct that particular presidency? No, he could've run whatever campaign/presidency he wanted to but two things: 1) he too is an extreme hater and 2) he *was* stupid enough to worry he'd lose should he put any brighter path on offer.
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Date: 12/6/24 12:32 pm (UTC)It's funny because in my circles there's a firehose of funny memes, analysis of how the pictures released are clearly not the same guy, and thirstposting about the alleged shooter (who is probably not the shooter). I chose friends wisely.
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Date: 12/11/24 05:19 am (UTC)Yep. 💯
The pics released were of the shooter, which I'm sure you know by now.
I choose news and social media wisely, fwiw. Friends/SOs and so on usually (OK, 100% of the time) start off more conservative than they wind up after spending any time around me. I'm sort of infectious like that.
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Date: 12/6/24 01:29 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 12/11/24 05:23 am (UTC)As you may know by now (I have an ETA up on why it took me so long to get back to this post) most of the sympathy came for him from the left and most normies, only for him to turn out to be the right-leaning-with-progressive-sympathies son of a Maryland Republican tied to Trump as a campaign head.
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Date: 12/6/24 01:48 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 12/11/24 05:26 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 12/6/24 05:30 pm (UTC)Rather amazed to see no comments on it, as yet.
Please clear up one point for me?
... John *screams* Fettermans ...
Did i miss something? He is a bit odd, but in acceptable ways, imho.
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Date: 12/11/24 05:33 am (UTC)I don't know what the left did to deserve Fetterman, or Sinema, or Manchin, but whatever it was, I'd like to apologize from the bottom of my heart.
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Date: 12/12/24 02:24 am (UTC)Thanks for bringing this about Fetterman to my attention. I hadn't seen it.
*screams*
Date: 12/17/24 02:49 am (UTC)So just some fun stuff like that. Somehow he's morphed into some weird mashup of Sinema and MAGA-ite and I can't even look at him now without... *screams*
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Date: 12/6/24 08:44 pm (UTC)It's 15% "it won't hurt me and tax cut yay" fools (who are yes, wrong about that tax cut but it doesn't matter) and 10% are the idiots who just flip the switch back and forth and have no idea what anything means or anyone stands for.
So you're right in that MAGA won't regret a goddamn thing.
You're wrong in that there won't be any regrets amongst his voters. So this is largely about keeping a Republic long enough for enough of that 15% to figure that out.
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Date: 12/11/24 05:40 am (UTC)Or the 70-90 million registered voters in this country who were still missing by Election Day.
The only scraps of good news I've been able to pull out of anything lately are a) yes, it was a close race/election, after all (once all the votes got counted what felt like three centuries later), b) Cheetolini did *not* win a majority of votes and won popular by much less than originally projected (just 1-1.5%) and that a voting block as large as the vote-casting collective is an absolute black box to this day as to how things might've gone if only they'd gotten off their asses and off to a polling booth, or done their vote by mails.
Makes compulsory voting sound better all the time, especially in light of the disaster that that many people not voting this time around has resulted in.
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Date: 12/11/24 06:25 am (UTC)This has been around already for several years, so every mass shooting that makes enough noise to be noticed gets pinned initially on "the trans."
They also used to try to do this with "the homosexuals," particularly claiming that "male homosexuals" are "dozens if not hundreds of times" more likely to be murderous predators, particularly of children. But having so much less influence at the top back then, it rarely if ever broke through to the general public.
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Date: 12/11/24 06:30 am (UTC)I'm sure statistically they're less likely to be murderers and more likely to be murdered but hey, they don't believe in statistics or science or facts, those are all great big cons from deep state globalists so you do your own research, right, and here we are.
I'm all for a good conspiracy theory now and then myself but at least don't make them so mind-numbingly stupid and/or easily refutable, I swear to God.
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Date: 12/11/24 07:25 am (UTC)I assure you, I have, and I have seen it myself, particularly on twitter and 4chan. It's been quieter the last year or so - well, that, and I stopped following the chan fash - but it's been an on-and-off since they started pushing bathroom bans in the 2010s.
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Date: 12/17/24 02:56 am (UTC)