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Alt text: A screenshot of a twitter post by bookish_nea. The post reads as follows:

Saw a warning that Russia may decouple from the Worldwide web, meaning LJ will totally disappear soon.

Back up your LJ to DW. Right-click images. Screenshot.

And then…. mourn with me the final passing of the most vibrant fan communities we'll ever know & the archive of an era.

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As the post says. Russia may cut off their internet from the outside world, and since Livejournal is on Russian servers now, it may vanish if that happens. If you have anything there, please consider saving your stuff elsewhere or importing your journal to Dreamwidth.

alessandriana
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It looks like the LJ-DW importer isn't as busy as I had expected, so I'll make my usual offer: if you're a mod of a community you want backed up from LJ to DW, and you don't want to do it yourself, I'm more than happy to do it for you. Just message me privately, and add me as a mod on LJ, and that's all you need!

(If you do want to do it yourself, the link is here: https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/importer -- it's extremely easy to use.)

theraphos
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“As part of the current geopolitical crisis caused by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, rumors are circulating that the Russian government intends to withdraw from the internet so that sites hosted inside Russia won’t be accessible from outside Russia. We don’t have any information about the credibility of these rumors, and I personally believe it’s 50/50 odds at best that it’s true, but the rumor has prompted many people from LJ to back up their journals and communities to Dreamwidth, using our content importer, in the interests of preserving access to their data if the rumors are true. Because LiveJournal is hosted inside Russia, if the rumors do turn out to be true, no one outside Russia will be able to reach it, so people are highly motivated to import their stuff right now!

As we’ve noted in the last few posts, LiveJournal is intermittently blocking our access to their servers, so there’s a chance any import attempt might fail. Many imports are successfully finishing today, though, and we’re doing everything we can to keep that success percentage high.”


I still have some friends on here who have LiveJournals, I think? Heads up that migrating is still - hopefully - possible, if you haven’t done it already!

theraphos

Reblogging for any of my fellow Livejournal olds in the audience! The importer worked for my first couple of accounts, broke down the other day and made me resort to copying individual entries off a few of my smaller roleplay accounts, and seems to be back on today thanks to Dreamwidth’s heroic efforts. Which is nice cause I had a LOT of comments on that last one.

No one knows wtf is happening and quite frankly Livejournal may run out of money regardless, so if there’s anything left on there you might care about at all, may as well make your pdfs and back up your shit now, folks!

[…] The rumor has prompted many people from LJ to back up their journals and communities to Dreamwidth, using our content importer, […] Because LiveJournal is hosted inside Russia, if the rumors do turn out to be true, no one outside Russia will be able to reach it, so people are highly motivated to import their stuff right now!

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Anonymous asked:

So, I'm trying to figure out how Dreamwidth works, and one thing I kinda am trying to figure out is this. Is there fanart communities? I mostly use tumblr for visual art, and I don't know how much energy I want to put into a site that doesn't have the main thing I go to fandoms for.

Dreamwidth isn’t geared towards posting art as it stands - it doesn’t have what most people would consider good image hosting. Others might have tips but I’m personally of the opinion that it won’t suit your needs, unfortunately.

bisexualbaker

Anonymous asked:

So where are we migrating to? I don't want to wander in the wilderness

olderthannetfic answered:

We’ve already gone.

Twitter and Discord.

I think twitter is actively malicious and refuse to use it regularly. I certainly could, but I won’t because I think this contributes to its supremacy and thus the desirability of bullying people off of it.

Discord I like fine. You have to find the right discords though.

If you were hoping for some other answer, sorry, this is the reality currently. Tumblr 2.0 isn’t coming.

elfwreck

The next True Fandom Home will not appear until Discord or Twitter (or both) have a major purge. Discord skirted the edge of this with its "no 18+ servers on iOS" shift, but there are workarounds (...the servers are still available on desktop app/browser), so it avoided a mass migration.

However, either Discord or Twitter could, at any time, decide they have too much "adult" content, and take steps to forbid it or make it harder to access. Or they might "take a stand" against "piracy." And someone new to social media trends online (read: anyone who's only known one digital fandom home) might think "oh, they'll lose a few people, a few communities, but that won't affect everyone else - most people & most servers are vanilla-tame, so a no-explicit-content rule won't affect them."

That's not how it works. A "no explicit content" rule always means an attempt to purge queer content of any sort. (A man and a woman holding hands in a park, leaning in for a kiss, is not considered explicit. Two men doing the same, often is. It depends on which advertisers are footing the bills.) And a crackdown on "piracy" often means a purge of fanworks, because social media devs are not well-versed in copyright law, and besides, their goal isn't "allow all legal content." It's "reduce the chance that we get hit with a lawsuit" - and that's not based on whether the content is legal. If a company with big lawyers decides "fanworks are bad for our public image," they start throwing around C&Ds, and it's easier to ban the fanficcers and fanartists and vidders and so on, than to send someone to court to challenge the copyright claims.

The reason a migration hasn't already started is that there's no obvious next place to go. If you want to catch things early, start talking with your friends - what kind of site do you want for social media? Do you want everyone-sees-everything like Tumblr, or must-get-invited arrangements like Discord? Do you want reblogging like Twitter or threaded discussions like Dreamwidth? Forum-esque discussions like Proboards or BobaBoard, or chatroom-esque like Telegram? (Note that I'm not saying "like instagram" or "like Pinterest" - because I don't participate in those. But they're also options, I suppose.)

How important is image hosting to you - and are you willing to pay for it? How willing are you to give away personal data and privacy in order to get site features?

What kind of moderation are you hoping for? Note that moderation is expensive; the more strict the content control on a site, the fewer active users there can be. (Metafilter is pretty good for moderation - but they pay for 24/7 moderators. And almost everyone who's active is very aware of the mod presence on the site.) If your preference is "I don't want strict content control; just no trolls, no harassers, no nazis" - I have news for you: that's strict content control. Figuring out the difference between shitposting and bigotry requires active, constant moderation.

If you can find 25 friends who agree on the answers to all those questions, you may have the necessary foundation for a social site of your own; start looking for a dev/coder who can help you put it together.

(AO3 was started by a few dozen people who agreed on the features they wanted an archive to have. And the features and policies they didn't want it to have.)

If you can't find two dozen people who agree with you about what The Best Fannish Social Platform would be... welcome to the hordes who are stuck waiting for our current platforms to collapse and nervous about where we'll be going next.

olderthannetfic

Yes to all of this!

One thing I will note that people often don’t think of and you really really need to is this:

How much are you willing to scale?

We knew AO3 would get “big”, but I think for a lot of us, that was pretty abstract, or we were thinking big like a hundred thousand accounts, not big like eight million. If you want to build a thing for 25 friends, that’s easy. On the technical side, scaling that up to 5,000 friends isn’t too bad (though moderation is exponentially harder).

If, however, your idea is that literal millions of tumblr users are going to migrate to the thing, plan for that from the very start. Pinboard very clearly had no grasp of how to scale for even moderate traffic. Not only were they not ready yet (which can happen to any site), but it didn’t seem to me like they even had the foundation to be ready later. The best way to code for 50 and the best way to code for 50,000,000 are different.

And if you aren’t building something that will eventually scale (and let’s be honest, you probably shouldn’t be because it’s a hell of a lot of work), you’re going to need to eventually turn people away or make it only be attractive to a niche group.

Re discord and twitter: they’re going to have to fuck up far more spectacularly than so far to unseat people. I agree with you that it’s coming, but to my eye, it looks like we’re still in the joining phase where fandom is on its way up on both. We haven’t yet peaked, and we haven’t seen any true strikethrough/tittyban equivalents.

momijizukamori

Did you mean Pillowfort instead of Pinboard? afaik Pinboard hasn't had any major traffic problems (and also is trying NOT to be a social media site explicitly). And yeah, the question of scale is part of the reason DW runs on the LJ codebase - the core bits have been stress-tested to hell and back. AO3 has probably gotten more efficient over the years (I hope), but I know in the early 2010s they required like 10x the server resources for equivalent amounts of traffic to DW.

olderthannetfic

LOL, I absolutely did. Doh! Thanks, fingers-brain that types things on autopilot.

(Pinboard actually also has fandom, but it is a strange beast I do not understand, and if they’re happy there, more power to them.)

bisexualbaker

Since I'm already on my Dreamwidth train...

If you can find 25 friends who agree on the answers to all those questions, you may have the necessary foundation for a social site of your own; start looking for a dev/coder who can help you put it together.

If you're willing to work with what Dreamwidth has available, twenty-five people who agree on the answers to the above questions is a fantastic base for a community. Dreamwidth's site-wide rules are fairly permissive, but people in charge of a community can be pretty much as restrictive as they like, and a lot of the base work is already done. I know image uploading isn't as sleek as it is on Tumblr, but I can't swear it would be much better if you were working from scratch, and if that's your only complaint, well. You could do a lot worse.

prismatic-bell

Plus, there’s already a chunk of fandom on Dreamwidth. I have an account over there, although I basically never use it. But if Tumblr dies that’s where I’m going.

bisexualbaker

It's a bit of a loop we're stuck in: Fandom will go where the activity is. As long as there's more activity on Tumblr, that's where we'll stay.

If people are more active on Dreamwidth, more people will go there, because there will be more activity. But first we have to be active there. And while there aren't a lot of people to be active for, it can feel a lot like shouting into the void, which gets demoralizing quick. Which means you end up doing less, which means there's less activity overall, which means you end up doing less, which means there's less activity overall, which means.... Well. You get the picture.

I speculated on another post about the idea of some sort of fandom-themed weekly questions community as a way to start generating some momentum, but I remain unlikely to start such a comm myself, and especially to run one. Still, if I shout about it long enough into the void, maybe someone will hear the echoes and pick up the idea?

bisexualbaker
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This tweet PUNCHED ME in the FACE

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seriously LJ icons were fabulous and I miss them. I especially miss once we got more than 3 and so we could have a bunch for different moods? good times.

bisexualbaker

[Image one: Tweet by surfacage ( @/surfacage ): bring back the 2000’s LJ icons. that stuff was so creative. (End transcript.) Attached is an infographic of the timeline of LJ icon styles. Early era: anime hypersaturation + tiny text. Early to mid-era: border styles. Mid-era: no border, tiny and large text mix. Late era: realism, saturation and bloom. End ID.]

[Images two through seven: Example icons. Two: Red text on black background. “welcome back to TORCHWOOD. Help me move a body.” Three: Screenshot of a woman sitting on a bench or curb, slumped over, at night time. Pink text reads, “i am not a pretty girl”. Four: Red background with an angry Toph in her Fire Nation outfit pointing off-screen. “Objection!” she says, making it a Phoenix Wright series reference. Five: Cartoon drawing. The brunet on the right has just pants’d the bespectacled blond on the left, and is “*smug*” about it. Six: Green background with veins of blue shot through. White text in two styles reads, “this is my "Not Speaking To Aubrey” icon". Seven: Screenshot of an action show or movie with a generic white dude sitting at a laptop, the screen on a word processor. In the background is a timer counting down “Time Remaining”; it’s currently at 03:07:20:04. White text reads, “i am the very model of a NaNoWriMo Novelist”. End IDs.]

*unsubtle cough* So Dreamwidth has a default of fifteen icons for free accounts, and while the area size remains 100x100 pixels, the file size has been increased from 40 to 60 whatevers. So for everyone who liked gif icons, you can make them 50% longer for Dreamwidth.

Another super fun thing was/is, if you hovered your mouse over someone’s icon? You could see the keywords they used to select the icon. (Basically: You have a drop-down menu of text to pick your icon from. You can also select directly from a menu of images, but the text option can be more fun, and I’m about to tell you why.) These could include a secret extra layer of communication! Kinda like the tags on Tumblr, but there’s a set number you have to pick from. So the Torchwood icon up there might have keywords like, “Queer besties” or “Let’s do crime!”, and you can add a little extra nuance to your conversation depending on which keywords you picked.

Anyway, just another little bit of the shenanigans we got up to with LJ (and Dreamwidth) icons and communication styles.